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[NL5] AA vs BTN raise cbet turn, bet river

    • iugmali
      iugmali
      Silver
      Joined: 03.05.2009 Posts: 58
      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $14.82 (296.4 bb)
      BB: $4.36 (87.2 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $8.06 (161.2 bb)
      MP: $5.14 (102.8 bb)
      CO: $6.62 (132.4 bb)
      BTN: $14.74 (294.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with :Ah: :Ac:
      Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.15, 2 folds

      Flop: ($0.37) :3c: :Js: :9s: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.23, BTN calls $0.23

      Turn: ($0.83) :8d: (2 players)
      Hero bets $0.53, BTN raises to $1.06, Hero calls $0.53

      River: ($2.95) :Kd: (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $1.40, Hero folds

      I had only 4 hands from the villain, not enough. Should I have fired or called OTR, or folded OTT? I'm having second thoughts.
  • 8 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 39,240
      It's nasty you don't have reads on him, but it's always tough to fold AA post-flop.
      I think you are to often behind against 2 pair or better to call the turn.
      I doubt a random NL5 player would min raise as bluff.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • Densyosh
      Densyosh
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.10.2009 Posts: 8,657
      4x pf, If you call turn you have to call this river imo..
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      On a short handed table 3x seems big enough for me pre-flop or you deal with passive players.
    • zetozinho
      zetozinho
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      Joined: 18.06.2017 Posts: 168
      That board connects a lot with that sort of hands he's expected to play on the BTN against UTG, like KJ, QJ, QT, JT, J9, Q9, K9, K8.
      I think I'm folding to the min-raise OTT. It looks very strong to me.
      The river is not a good card because it completes a lot of draws, so I fold here as well.
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,795
      standard bet/fold on turn unless you know better. people juts have 2p+ way too often, 80%-90% of the time based on experience. you're not getting the right pot odds vs this strong range.

      River doesn't change anything - QT already got there. Would he continue to value bet KQ KT if he did bluff raise the turn? I don't know.
    • JimmkCZ
      JimmkCZ
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      Joined: 10.06.2011 Posts: 318
      I agry with mbml River doesn't change anything - QT already got there. I would raise even after the flop, AA are the highest pair. Its great possibility.
    • iugmali
      iugmali
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      Joined: 03.05.2009 Posts: 58
      Originally posted by mbml
      standard bet/fold on turn unless you know better. people juts have 2p+ way too often, 80%-90% of the time based on experience. you're not getting the right pot odds vs this strong range.

      River doesn't change anything - QT already got there. Would he continue to value bet KQ KT if he did bluff raise the turn? I don't know.
      Thanks for reviewing. You're right. Most of the times they raise on this spot they are already setted or two paired. I should have folded OTT.
    • la55i
      la55i
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      I can agree with the fold OTT. It is fine to follow baluga theorem if we don't have any info. But in today's games turn raises as a bluff start to get more common. That 2pair+ 80-90% of the time seems to be too much. I would say somewhere around 60% would be more accurate.