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PokerStars $0.55 BountyBuilder: QQ in Early Stage

    • RockStarJunk
      RockStarJunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.07.2018 Posts: 6
      Hey guys,

      this hand happened to me today and I would like to hear your thoughts about it.

      Pre-Flop: I raise to 4BB because there are already two limpers and I'd like to isolate one or at max two players. I feel like 5BB would have been just fine, though.

      Flop: Basically, all of the three players could have any suited connector, any pocket pair and any suited ace - this is a $0.55 BountyBuilder. When Villian 3 bets half pot, he could have flush draws, straight draws and even overpairs and I am ahead of all of these hands, except AA-KK of course. So I should be good in most cases and that's why I try to defend my overpair against this wet board with an almost pot sized 3-bet.

      Every hand worse than TPTK should snap-fold to this action, right?! Well, V6 doesn't and neither does V3: This tells me that probably at least one of them got a set - and I fold.

      PokerStars - 15/30 Ante 5 NL - Holdem - 9 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: 163.5 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
      MP+1: 218.83 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      MP+2: 175.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 17.65, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 34)
      Hero (CO): 164.33 BB
      BTN: 124.33 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      SB: 165.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
      BB: 185.33 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
      UTG: 164.17 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
      UTG+1: 474.17 BB (VPIP: 7.02, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 57)

      9 players post ante of 0.17 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) Hero has Q:spade: Q:club:

      fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls 1 BB, MP+2 calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, BB calls 3 BB, MP+1 calls 3 BB, MP+2 calls 3 BB

      Flop: (18 BB, 4 players) 8:club: 4:heart: 5:club:
      BB checks, MP+1 checks, MP+2 bets 9 BB, Hero raises to 24 BB, BB raises to 181.17 BB and is all-in, fold, MP+2 calls 162.33 BB and is all-in, fold

      Turn: (384.67 BB, 2 players) T:club:

      River: (384.67 BB, 2 players) 9:diamond:

      BB shows K:diamond: 8:spade: (One Pair, Eights)
      (Pre 50%, Flop 50%, Turn 50%)
      MP+2 shows K:heart: 8:diamond: (One Pair, Eights)
      (Pre 50%, Flop 50%, Turn 50%)
      MP+2 wins 192.33 BB
      BB wins 192.33 BB
  • 6 replies
    • mylove190207
      mylove190207
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.04.2011 Posts: 846
      Hi.

      Very interesting spot. It is ugly when it happens. But I think that your play was good. I would go with bigger iso raise pre flop, because opponents will call u with a lot of hands since there is bounty and both of them cover u. I will go with raise to around 6bb with such a strong hand. Post flop u loose minimum. They can have sets or straight. Sometimes u will se also 2 pairs, even like 85 or 84. As weard as it sound, but it is $0.55 bounty tournament in early stage and this can definitely happen.
      Also if u have edge on field it is better to avoid marginal spots early on. It is also true that they can have like A8 and K8 or even A8 and A5 (seen that as well sometimes). But as I sad I won't risk it in gessing spots so early on on field that I have nice edge. As it turns out they have K8 and neather of them have :Kc: . Mark them and call them next time in HU situation. In multiway pot early on I will rather take crying fold when that kind of situation happen.


      I think it was good fold despite result.

      GL at tables!
    • RockStarJunk
      RockStarJunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.07.2018 Posts: 6
      Thanks for your answer, I feel better about my play now!
    • IamViki
      IamViki
      Silver
      Joined: 07.02.2018 Posts: 15
      In early stages people often go crazy as soon as they hit something. It's important to separate the "you have something I have something, let's go" players and the ones that just jam when they have the nuts. You want to isolate the first type preflop and go thinner for value. Sometimes even slowplaying wider HU against a spewy player who "learned" that is somebody who just checks and calls is weak and because of that is just gonna bluff everything is the best way to go. If you are not sure what kind of player they are, I think it's fine to be on the passive side, but with the intention of figuring out what kind of player they are as soon as possible so you aren't exploited by overfolding or not getting enough value
    • maniac
      maniac
      Silver
      Joined: 29.03.2006 Posts: 7,373
      i get it in simply.

      greets
    • CucumbaMan
      CucumbaMan
      Silver
      Joined: 13.10.2017 Posts: 290
      I'd fold as well. BB could have all the straights, sets, two pairs, etc and there's MP+2 as well.
      It is too much for me, so in these spots I usually make a tight fold, and make a note on opponents.
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 39,280
      I would raise more pre-flop against 2 limpers/ You can easy make it 5bb and against a random fish I don't think it's to bad to stack off with the flush blocker and I expect he can easy over play 99-JJ or even worse here.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987