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Overpair on a paired flop oop SPR 3

    • Mascherano95
      Mascherano95
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.10.2010 Posts: 232
      This is a spot in my database I lose very commonly money and I am wondering if I stack-off here too light in 3bp oop on paired flops.
      Villain is an loose 80/30 player with AF2. How would you play this otf (line, bet-sizing) especially against loose aggressive players. Although their stats are often indicating very loose play preflop, postflop once they raise I am actually barely ahead in situations like this oop at SPR 3-4.
      Bet-Fold smaller sizing as an exploit? Check-call once, twice or even Check-fold? Or just bet pot-call cause we are committed?

      PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      MP: 183.5 BB (VPIP: 40.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)
      CO: 111 BB (VPIP: 81.82, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 12)
      BTN: 89 BB (VPIP: 71.05, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 15.15, Hands: 76)
      Hero (SB): 112.5 BB
      BB: 64 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 100.00, 3Bet Preflop: 100.00, Hands: 2)
      UTG: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 22.59, PFR: 15.93, 3Bet Preflop: 5.26, Hands: 274)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9:heart: 6:club: A:heart: A:spade:

      fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 10 BB

      Flop: (30 BB, 2 players) 4:club: T:spade: 4:spade:
      Hero bets 19 BB, CO raises to 86 BB, Hero raises to 99.5 BB and is all-in, CO calls 12 BB and is all-in

      Turn: (226 BB, 2 players) J:club:

      River: (226 BB, 2 players) 6:spade:

      Hero shows 9:heart: 6:club: A:heart: A:spade: (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
      (Pre 58%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)
      CO shows 7:heart: J:heart: 4:diamond: 9:diamond: (Full House, Fours full of Jacks)
      (Pre 42%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)
      CO wins 218.5 BB
  • 7 replies
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 39,270
      An over pair in PLO isn't so strong if you compare it with NLHE and I don't think most players on PLO2 will raise with less than a flush draw in a spot like this and I don't think the ace blocker is good enough to stack off in spots like this and I would just give up the flop as PLO fish.

      Cheers,
      SDK1987
    • natharno
      natharno
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      Joined: 27.08.2007 Posts: 19
      Plo beginner here.
      I will cbet 100% of my 3bet range here, probably 1/2 pot, fold on a raise.
      Flush draw will just call the flop at PLO2 I believe, especially with a paired board.
    • pizdunar
      pizdunar
      Gold
      Joined: 01.08.2014 Posts: 91
      Yup, I'd bet/fold. Cb sizing anywhere from 1/3 to 3/4 on paired is fine on micros depending on player reads and your later street plan imo.
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Joined: 02.09.2010 Posts: 11,267
      In PLO your redraw is almost as important as your hand.
      Here your :Ah: :As: is standing all by itself. No straight potential, no flush potential, and the board pairs, so even if you had a flush it might not even be good.

      It's rather like a Way-Ahead/Way-Behind hand in Hold'em -- and you're not way ahead -- just somewhat ahead.

      I join the bet/fold team here.

      Best of luck,
      VS
    • aent4x
      aent4x
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      Joined: 13.09.2010 Posts: 107
      When you made your 3-bet preflop from the SB almost everyone puts you on AAxx as the CO did I think.
      And in PLO2 When someone is pushing all-in OTF, is probably value betting and he is trying to take advatange of your Aces ( cause most of as never fold them)
      You don't have redraws. So most of the time you are ahead only from Bluffs here in my opinion and bare flush-draws.
      I would Bet/fold too.
    • Mascherano95
      Mascherano95
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      Joined: 09.10.2010 Posts: 232
      Yes.. I think you guys are right. Bet-fold best.

      Sizing 30-40% and against player weak enough to call 1 street and fold ott size up a little bit 4value and bet any non-flush turn.
    • Kyyberi
      Kyyberi
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      Joined: 09.07.2010 Posts: 11,277
      You can happily bet-fold on these boards as long as no one starts to play back at you. If you see them raising with bluffs you need to adjust. But until that, just make the bet and your life is easier. Once they raise, you fold.