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[NL2] How to identify such a crazy preflop move

    • LeHai930
      LeHai930
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.06.2018 Posts: 5
      I was stunned after showdown when this guy showed up 78o. His stats are VP:46, PR:24, 3B: 6

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 90 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 11.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
      SB: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 32)
      Hero (BB): 105.5 BB
      UTG: 272 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 38)
      CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 45.95, PFR: 24.32, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 38)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:heart: K:spade:

      fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 8.5 BB, CO calls 5.5 BB

      Flop: (17.5 BB, 2 players) 6:spade: 7:heart: A:club:
      Hero bets 5.5 BB, CO calls 5.5 BB

      Turn: (28.5 BB, 2 players) 8:heart:
      Hero bets 26.5 BB, CO calls 26.5 BB

      River: (81.5 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
      Hero bets 65 BB and is all-in, CO calls 59.5 BB and is all-in

      Hero shows A:heart: K:spade: (One Pair, Aces)
      (Pre 62%, Flop 77%, Turn 18%)
      CO shows 8:spade: 7:club: (Two Pair, Eights and Sevens)
      (Pre 38%, Flop 23%, Turn 82%)
      CO wins 193.5 BB
  • 11 replies
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
      Platinum
      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 3,207
      You only have 38h on villains though.

      3bet bigger pre, 10-11 BB moreover OOP.
      Flop ok turn you're betting too big, I'm not even sure I'd bet instead of check/calling.
      River you are value cutting yourself.
    • Sunrise1912
      Sunrise1912
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.11.2009 Posts: 418
      Make it 10BB preflop. I like the rest. You can size up the flop more and calculate for a turn shove but you decided to go for 3 streets instead with 1/3 flop cbet. Its fine i guess. If he has AT and AQ in his range your shove should be be profitable
    • CucumbaMan
      CucumbaMan
      Silver
      Joined: 13.10.2017 Posts: 312
      Yeah, as others said, use a bigger sizing preflop, 10-12 BB is fine OOP. Otherwise looks well played to me. :f_drink:
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
      Platinum
      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 3,207
      Originally posted by Sunrise1912
      If he has AT and AQ in his range your shove should be be profitable
      No it should not, as every other hand of his range is crushing us. That makes a lot of DP-sets-straights you know ^^
    • Sunrise1912
      Sunrise1912
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.11.2009 Posts: 418
      Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
      Originally posted by Sunrise1912
      If he has AT and AQ in his range your shove should be be profitable
      No it should not, as every other hand of his range is crushing us. That makes a lot of DP-sets-straights you know ^^

      No he doesnt. Every set raises the turn imo. Straights are 45s (does he have this preflop ?) and 9Ts (if he hit his gutshot so be it). The majority of his range here would be Ax.

      to OP. Please do not post results in a hand. It influences the opinions and now people would tell you you didnt play the hand well. It's well played
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
      Platinum
      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 3,207
      Because at NL2 they are raising every sets and DP turn of course ? :D
      You are ahead of AQ-AT, yahou ! Go for it ! Well, after all you are just behind AJ, A8, A7, A6, 67,78,... not to mention sets and the "so be it" straight (lol). Gl hf.
      But well, if we disagree with you it's of course because it so happens that we've seen the showdown and are result oriented. The fact that the showdown doesn't go your way at all is just another argument for you to use then. Pretty neat.
    • zetozinho
      zetozinho
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.06.2017 Posts: 287
      It's not in my style to throw 3 barrels with TPTK against a random player. I just feel like I'm overplaying. I'm most of the times checking on a given street depending on the board, position and so on.
      I think the rest has been said.
    • MLima1984
      MLima1984
      Silver
      Joined: 19.05.2015 Posts: 80
      I would play the same way. A higher tribet preflop, as mentindo before.
    • Andrepipocado
      Andrepipocado
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.01.2018 Posts: 86
      You need info to 3barrel
    • RemiRem
      RemiRem
      Silver
      Joined: 27.12.2009 Posts: 73
      do not show results next time
    • OrigamiPoker
      OrigamiPoker
      Silver
      Joined: 27.10.2018 Posts: 66
      You gave villain such a good price pre that they can profitably call most of their range ip. That's if they are even that aware of the price being laid for them,87o is a very questionable open to begin with but villain looks recreational. Personally my sizing would be closer to 4x pre 11-12bb's oop with the 3bet and if you can get away with going even larger vs the weaker looking villains then go larger until you find their folding point.