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[NL5] AA multiway deep stacks

    • hanusmarek
      hanusmarek
      Gold
      Joined: 10.05.2012 Posts: 128
      Hey guys, I kinda need advice if this hand was played properly? Is it ok to bet-fold river, when pot is this big?

      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      Hero (SB): $12.09 (241.8 bb)
      BB: $12.82 (256.4 bb)
      UTG: $10.23 (204.6 bb)
      MP: $6.21 (124.2 bb)
      CO: $5 (100 bb)
      BTN: $5 (100 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with :As: :Ah:
      UTG raises to $0.15, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, BB calls $0.45, UTG calls $0.35

      Flop: ($1.50) :Js: :2d: :8d: (3 players)
      Hero bets $0.90, BB calls $0.90, UTG calls $0.90

      Turn: ($4.20) :5d: (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50, UTG folds

      River: ($9.20) :3s: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8.92 and is all-in, Hero folds

      Results:
      $17.20 pot ($0.71 rake)
      Final Board: :Js: :2d: :8d: :5d: :3s:
      Hero mucked :As: :Ah: and lost (-$7.90 net)
      BB mucked and won $16.49 ($8.59 net)
  • 6 replies
    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
      Gold
      Joined: 17.01.2011 Posts: 7,182
      just check/fold the river and hope he checks behind his marginal showdown value. i like the discipline to bet/fold getting better than 20% pot odds, but it's already too thin.
      now well, BB might be a terrible player with the 3bet-coldcall and/or have a lot of KK/QQ, so you can consider jamming river yourself for value. in any case, the spot is annoying.
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
      Platinum
      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 3,219
      You get called twice on the flop, the flush gets in on the turn and you still bet... Are the odds of none of them having a FD that high ? I wouldn't think so. Anyway there isn't much more room for value here as if they don't have the flush it's also scary for them and you're representing so strong.
      Just to say I'm check/calling the turn.
    • hanusmarek
      hanusmarek
      Gold
      Joined: 10.05.2012 Posts: 128
      And what would you do OTR? Just check/fold?
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
      Platinum
      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 3,219
      Probably yes. I don't see much bluffs when villain is floating multiway and betting twice here.
      He knows you're supposed to have all the TP and OP in your range, he knows there is a flush onboard and he's still betting... what hand worse calling your multiway flop cbet would he turn into a bluff here ?
      If it was UTG I'd say stuffs like T9 but BB has cold called a 3bet OOP so he's representing stronger, mostly broadways and medium-high PP.
    • la55i
      la55i
      Moderator
      Moderator
      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 8,490
      I'm not sure if the turn bet is that bad. We could still get calls from some Jx or QQ or something like that. And there could be pair + FD type of hands. But I dislike the sizing. I would go a lot smaller. I would bet the flop smaller too.

      But as played, fold river. As a general rule, you can always fold vs a river raise if you don't have close to the nuts.
    • Sunrise1912
      Sunrise1912
      Bronze
      Joined: 24.11.2009 Posts: 418
      I just check/call the turn and c/f rivers that deep.

      100BB this would be a river shove for me.