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[NL5] Nutflush OTR

    • zetozinho
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      A hand I played today.
      What would you do different?
      OTF I could cbet, but decided to check behind IP. I think there's nothing wrong with it, especially because I didn't know the villain.
      Turn call I think it's fine.
      OTR I it the nutflush and it goes crazy.
      Ideas?
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    • Tomaloc
      Tomaloc
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      fold to the shove. it's also likely that you should raise smaller
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
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      I like it until the river where indeed you seem a little optimistic about villain's ability to shove here without the straight flush, but then again it's NL5 so what do I know lol :D
    • zetozinho
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      I wouldn't be surprised if he shoved with the K high flush to be honest.
      Don't you think it's super nitty to fold this hand?
    • MyFloXyBabY
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      Super nitty no, even if the fact that you raised so big doesn't help (I'd probably minraise).
      Even at micros, people tend to clearly underbluff (and not value thin) 4-to-a-flush spots. Reraising shove a Kh especially when one or two straight flushes are possible would be really suicidal. It's possible villain is, being NL5 and all, but I wouldn't bet too much on that.
    • zetozinho
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      My raise was to 3.6 times his bet, is it considered to be a huge raise given the strength of my hand? I'm not being sarcastic guys.
      Should I just call his 10bb bet OTR? Min-raise and fold to a shove?
      I'm probably going to put this hand on "Hand of the Day" topic.
    • MyFloXyBabY
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      I know your raising size is "standard", it's because the spot is so pecular that I'd go for a minraise/fold approach. It's harder for villain to fold versus a minraise and easier for us to fold versus his shove then.
    • zetozinho
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      Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
      It's harder for villain to fold versus a minraise and easier for us to fold versus his shove then.
      Didn't think of it in that way. Great point.
    • MrNiceGuy313
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      I don't understand why you call your hand the nutflush? someone with 3h or 8h beats you.
      possible hands in his range that could beat you:33,88, 89s, T8s, J8s
    • nitrol
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      1. I think you can cbet this flop. Qxx is nice to attack.
      2. You do not hold the nut flush on river and I do not see a reason to get too excited about the river action.
      3. I do not see him doing the push with KhX hand. Even fish knows it is behind in this situation.
    • MyFloXyBabY
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      I didn't know the nut flush wasn't called the nut flush anymore when a straight flush was possible.
      Is it the same when the board pairs too ? Or with the nut straight when the board colours or pairs ? ?(
    • zetozinho
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      Originally posted by MrNiceGuy313
      I don't understand why you call your hand the nutflush? someone with 3h or 8h beats you.
      possible hands in his range that could beat you:33,88, 89s, T8s, J8s
      I have the nut flush with the ace.
      Those hands are straight flushes.
      At least, that was the thing the l ast time I checked.
    • MrNiceGuy313
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      But a straight-flush is still a flush right? But I understand what you're saying and in terminological terms you are probably right.
    • zetozinho
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      It doesnt matter. I think I have to call this just to see his cards and have a story to tell the kids :-P
      I have an interesting twist:
      What do you do here if you have the 3 of hearts instead of the ace?
    • MrNiceGuy313
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      fold turn
    • RemiRem
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      why fold turn here? After checked flop villain could just stabbed for the dead pot. Hero will be ahead many times.
    • zetozinho
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      Originally posted by MrNiceGuy313
      fold turn
      I respectfully disagree. I have the nutflush-draw, two overcards and position over him. You can't fold this hand OTT.
      If you're talking about the 3 of hearts hipotetic situation that I've mentioned, elaborate your thought process please. Thanks
    • MLima1984
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      Dude the Thays dealer os such a MF.
      O would cbet OTF, Q seems a good card to do so.
      Maybe on the heat of the moment i would reraise OTR, but calling his bet os probably the right thing to do.
      I would call de too OTT.
    • GridironAssassin
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      Don't fold turn.

      River-I am in the raise smaller/even minraise camp too.
    • MrNiceGuy313
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      The fold turn was based on the question: What do you do here if you have the 3 of hearts instead of the ace? ( I already answered your OP)

      In this case I would fold because you have the weakest straight draw and would hit a weak flush, unless you hit 5h, which is just 2.5%
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