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Four cards and a grindette - PLO-fun with Prim

    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Joined: 01.07.2016 Posts: 5,140
      Hey guys,
      many of you may know me but for those who don´t, let me first introduce myself. Everybody in the community who know me (and even know my real name) call me just "Prim". :s_biggrin: I´m 44 years old from Germany and actually an SNG- and MTT-grindette. I play SnGs and MTTs up to 5.50 $ buy-in (so far). But only NLHE SnGs and MTTs got very boring, especially at the micros. So, I decided to start a new and fresh challenge for my brain: PLO and PLO8. I have already an SNG- and MTT-blog for NLHE (see signature) but would love to have an extra-blog only for PLO, cause otherwise my old blog gets horribly messy. So in this blog is for PLO only! :f_thumbsup:

      My PLO background is so far very simple: Have been playing this interesting and mind-challenging game just for fun so far. So, I´m an absolute beginner who starts learning PLO and PLO8 from scratch. I use to play the 1.10 $ PLO-MTTs on Partypoker and could even manage to win one and get ITM in a couple of those. :f_thumbsup:

      I am going to hit the PLO-MTT-tables on Partypoker and on Pokerstars (I also play on Titan Poker but couldn´t find PLO-MTTs I can afford). I also will hit the CG-tables on Titan and Partypoker. I´am absolute beginner and would like to grind my way up in the limits to 10 or 11 € buy-ins and maybe PLO100. That are my goals so far. :f_biggrin:

      Actually I´m reading the book "Pot limit Omaha", have read the PLO-articles here on PS and watch the training videos here.

      I´m gonna hit the 1.10 $ and 2.20 $ MTT-tables and play PLO2.

      See a little fish becoming a baby-shark! :f_thumbsup:
  • 523 replies
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
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      First 8-)
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
      First 8-)
      :welcome:
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
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      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 4,500
      Thank you, I think I'll love this place. =)
      I mean, poker, but with even more cards. Good idea.

      Are you talking about the book by Jeff Hwang ?
      It was a private joke at a time with a friend. He was calling us readers "the Hwang adepts" as if playing PLO was a sect :D
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Joined: 01.07.2016 Posts: 5,140
      Yes, I´m reading exactly that book, I think Kybberi said it´s outdated but gives a good basic knowledge.
    • ghaleon
      ghaleon
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      Joined: 17.10.2007 Posts: 6,868
      You said this in main blog:
      the first time I got the blockers right post-flop, so it can only get better. :s_biggrin:
      So hopefully this side will get lot better as those blockers has quite bit more weight on omaha compared to holdem :)

      PS: I recommend to only play one of these (holdem or omaha) in same session or even day. Mixing two formats that has lot different way of thinking can get messy imo.
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Thank you, ghale. Or what about a NLHE-session, then a longer break and then PLO at the same day? Would that work out?

      Yeah, that´s what PLO is great for: to sharpen your mind in blocker/unblockers etc. I´m sure learning PLO will inspire and improve also my NLHE skills and don´t wanna forget about the fun-factor. Even though we play poker for profit but some fun is always nice, isn´t it? :f_thumbsup:
    • deralte71
      deralte71
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      Joined: 09.08.2010 Posts: 525
      On Donkr there is a series of articles called "PLO from scratch", you could check out. Please don't crush me at the the low stakes tables at Pokerstars:f_frown: - good luck with yr new quest:f_drink:
    • Harrier88
      Harrier88
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      Joined: 01.05.2012 Posts: 3,023
      Originally posted by Primrose6789
      See a little fish becoming a baby-shark! :f_thumbsup:

      (Hey, at least I picked the version without the dancing Asian kids.)

      Best of luck, Prim! :f_drink: Looks like you're well-equipped for this journey already.

      Vorpal has a saying about what tends to happen to your equity in this game, I'm sure you're familiar. Just take it easy. PLO can be a quite entertaining and interesting game, especially if Hold'em is starting to get a little stale. There's definitely some potential in there.

      Looking forward to your updates.
    • pizdunar
      pizdunar
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      Good luck man!
    • ghaleon
      ghaleon
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      Originally posted by Primrose6789
      Thank you, ghale. Or what about a NLHE-session, then a longer break and then PLO at the same day? Would that work out?

      Yeah, that´s what PLO is great for: to sharpen your mind in blocker/unblockers etc. I´m sure learning PLO will inspire and improve also my NLHE skills and don´t wanna forget about the fun-factor. Even though we play poker for profit but some fun is always nice, isn´t it? :f_thumbsup:
      Sure if one doesn't enjoy poker it's not good hobby or job.

      You can try how it works for you but in general when you start to play new format/game it's best to focus purely for that if possible. It won't help learning curve if mixing different ones.
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Joined: 01.07.2016 Posts: 5,140
      Originally posted by deralte71
      On Donkr there is a series of articles called "PLO from scratch", you could check out. Please don't crush me at the the low stakes tables at Pokerstars:f_frown: - good luck with yr new quest:f_drink:
      Won´t play PLO on Stars anyway (too many regs), will play it on Party and Titan :f_biggrin:
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Originally posted by pizdunar
      Good luck man!
      Lady, please! But thank you! :heart:
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Ghale, I think that´s a good idea with the "PLO-days". So, we´re getting started: PLO-day is today! :f_thumbsup:
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
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      Good luck "man" for today then ! :s_drink:
      (And I do agree about splitting your sessions between NLH and PLO.)
    • VorpalF2F
      VorpalF2F
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      Originally posted by ghaleon
      I recommend to only play one of these (holdem or omaha) in same session or even day. Mixing two formats that has lot different way of thinking can get messy imo.
      Agreed. The funny part is when you play Hold'em again after playing Omahahaha, it feels like you're being cheated out of two hole cards.

      I find PLO cash easier to play than tournament, since the equities at the start are so close.

      All the best,
      VS
    • nsavov
      nsavov
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      Joined: 24.09.2010 Posts: 1,190
      Yay! I like to think I am at least somewhat responsible for this thread :P

      Too bad I cant bumhunt you in stars tourneys. :(
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      We´re having a pretty nice start

      Placed 15th (ITM) in the 1.10 $ PLO 150 $ Gtd. on Party, unfortunately got sucked out with my acies by QQ67r :f_rolleyes: but it´s nice to get ITM in a tourney at all after my horrible run in NLHE :facepalm:

      In CG I lost a 0,75 stack altogether, one with KKT9ss vs random hand Q632r, donk called my 3-bet with that hand and got his lucky lucky str8.

      Well, ran around break-even and that´s alright for the beginning. I really have to get into CG. Haven´t played CG for a long long long time and I felt pretty strange at the CG-tables :sifflote: In CG there´s a lot to learn and improve, there´s a lot to learn in PLO anyway but especially in CG.

      What I also noticed is that Villains are even worse than in NLHE :facepalm: calling with any random hand and you can be happy if they don´t get lucky on the river. :f_o: So, in PLO you need even more mental strength than in NLHE and you need a WAY tighter BRM for sure! In PLO I play with a very very conservative BRM, not only because it´s very swingy but also cause I´m a beginner.
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      So then: Let´s see some hands


      partypoker - 0/0 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (UTG): 237.42 BB
      CO: 19.18 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      BTN: 62.69 BB (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
      SB: 72.21 BB (VPIP: 83.33, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
      BB: 49.77 BB (VPIP: 88.24, PFR: 15.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 51)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7:club: 7:spade: J:heart: J:diamond:

      Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, SB calls 2 BB, BB calls 1.5 BB

      Flop: (10 BB, 4 players) 2:spade: J:club: 5:diamond:
      SB bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB, Hero raises to 30 BB, BTN raises to 60.19 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero calls 30.19 BB

      Turn: (140.39 BB, 2 players) 5:spade:

      River: (140.39 BB, 2 players) T:spade:

      Hero shows 7:club: 7:spade: J:heart: J:diamond: (Full House, Jacks full of Fives)
      (Pre 54%, Flop 69%, Turn 98%)
      BTN shows 5:club: 4:spade: 3:diamond: Q:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Fives)
      (Pre 46%, Flop 31%, Turn 3%)
      Hero wins 140.39 BB

      partypoker - 0/0 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      Hero (BTN): 116.21 BB
      SB: 19.68 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
      BB: 66.19 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
      UTG: 74.71 BB (VPIP: 85.71, PFR: 10.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 28)
      MP: 160.06 BB (VPIP: 63.64, PFR: 27.27, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
      CO: 48.27 BB (VPIP: 87.76, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 6.25, Hands: 49)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A:club: 9:diamond: 2:diamond: A:heart:

      fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 15.5 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 12 BB, fold

      Flop: (36 BB, 2 players) J:heart: 5:club: 3:club:
      MP checks, Hero bets 36 BB, MP calls 36 BB

      Turn: (108 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
      MP checks, Hero bets 64.71 BB and is all-in, MP calls 64.71 BB

      River: (237.42 BB, 2 players) 2:spade:

      MP shows 9:club: K:club: K:diamond: 8:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
      (Pre 37%, Flop 45%, Turn 23%)
      Hero shows A:club: 9:diamond: 2:diamond: A:heart: (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
      (Pre 63%, Flop 55%, Turn 78%)
      Hero wins 237.42 BB

      This one I played bad

      partypoker - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG: 31.5 BB (VPIP: 77.78, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      MP: 46.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
      Hero (CO): 96.5 BB
      BTN: 105.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
      SB: 211.5 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 9)
      BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6:diamond: 9:spade: 9:club: A:diamond:

      fold, MP raises to 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP calls 8.5 BB

      Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) K:heart: 8:diamond: 7:spade:
      MP bets 24.5 BB, Hero calls 24.5 BB

      Turn: (74.5 BB, 2 players) 4:heart:
      MP bets 10 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 10 BB

      River: (94.5 BB, 2 players) 7:diamond:

      MP shows K:spade: 9:diamond: J:heart: J:spade: (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
      (Pre 67%, Flop 68%, Turn 80%)
      Hero shows 6:diamond: 9:spade: 9:club: A:diamond: (Two Pair, Nines and Sevens)
      (Pre 33%, Flop 32%, Turn 20%)
      MP wins 90 BB

      Was not sure how to play this FH in PLO

      In Holdem a clear jam - in PLO?

      partypoker - 0/0 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      SB: 58.57 BB (VPIP: 48.94, PFR: 4.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
      Hero (BB): 77.55 BB
      UTG: 70.97 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 11.76, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 17)
      MP: 32.56 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
      CO: 35.48 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
      BTN: 72.72 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 3.08, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 65)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5:heart: Q:club: T:spade: 6:spade:

      fold, fold, CO calls 1 BB, fold, SB calls 0.5 BB, Hero checks

      Flop: (3 BB, 3 players) Q:spade: T:diamond: 7:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets 1 BB, SB calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB

      Turn: (6 BB, 3 players) 2:diamond:
      SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks

      River: (6 BB, 3 players) T:club:
      SB bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold

      SB shows 7:club: 7:heart: 8:club: 4:spade: (Full House, Sevens full of Tens)
      (Pre 51%, Flop 74%, Turn 90%)
      Hero shows 5:heart: Q:club: T:spade: 6:spade: (Full House, Tens full of Queens)
      (Pre 49%, Flop 26%, Turn 10%)
      Hero wins 12 BB
    • Primrose6789
      Primrose6789
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      Joined: 01.07.2016 Posts: 5,140
      Eeeeew! Was this wrong?

      partypoker - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 3 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      BTN: 114.5 BB (VPIP: 38.54, PFR: 23.96, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 96)
      Hero (SB): 89.5 BB
      BB: 201 BB (VPIP: 36.44, PFR: 21.19, 3Bet Preflop: 10.81, Hands: 118)

      Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K:spade: 4:club: K:diamond: T:spade:

      BTN raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 6 BB

      Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 4:spade: 6:spade: 5:diamond:
      Hero bets 12 BB, BTN calls 12 BB

      Turn: (42 BB, 2 players) T:club:
      Hero bets 28 BB, BTN calls 28 BB

      River: (98 BB, 2 players) 9:heart:
      Hero bets 41 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 41 BB

      Hero shows K:spade: 4:club: K:diamond: T:spade: (Two Pair, Tens and Fours)
      (Pre 69%, Flop 38%, Turn 30%)
      BTN shows Q:club: 3:heart: 6:diamond: 2:spade: (Straight, Six High)
      (Pre 31%, Flop 62%, Turn 70%)
      BTN wins 171 BB