[NL20-NL50] NL50 another AQ

    • Talic
      Talic
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      Joined: 04.01.2008 Posts: 1,851
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($104)
      BB ($51.50)
      UTG ($12.57)
      CO ($32.40)
      BTN ($51)

      Dealt to Hero A:spade: Q:diamond:

      fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2, LahtiPredator raises to $6, Hero raises to $16, LahtiPredator calls $10,

      FLOP ($32) 6:club: 2:club: 3:heart:

      Hero ???

      20/18/4.2AF/8.2 3bet

      15% 3bet from BB to steal
  • 9 replies
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello!

      What's his C-Bet? In 4bet pot I would try to c-bet.

      Best regards,
      Rensu
    • HannesNL
      HannesNL
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      Joined: 18.11.2008 Posts: 4,590
      What were you trying to reach with this small 4-bet?
      He will like never fold here. If you bluff 4-bet OOP, you have to make it $20~$22 and push every flop.
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Joined: 04.01.2008 Posts: 1,851
      Originally posted by timkroes
      What were you trying to reach with this small 4-bet?
      He will like never fold here. If you bluff 4-bet OOP, you have to make it $20~$22 and push every flop.
      this is not bluff 4bet but value 4bet thats first of all

      but I agree I should have raise to 19$
    • csnmf
      csnmf
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      Joined: 22.11.2006 Posts: 444
      4 bet size is standard 2.5 times the 3 bet size, the guy is a 20/18 so he's not a donk and he should know not to call 4bets, so he's probably got AA KK at least a pp which he's not folding, so i don't think i am c-betting.
    • HannesNL
      HannesNL
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      I don't think you can value 4-bet AQo.....
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Originally posted by timkroes
      I don't think you can value 4-bet AQo.....
      In a blind battle you most certainly can.

      OOP, I 4bet to 3x usually. I give up on that flop, he'll call you often.



      **EDIT: It's actually "caltabiano" posting... I posted using my brother's ID by accident
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Likely I´d c/f, although betting 12-15$/folding to shove is also fine.
      And I don´t like 4-bet pf, since you´re not really getting there all-in ahead.
      Better is just call 3-bet (even oop) or fold.
    • caltabiano
      caltabiano
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Likely I´d c/f, although betting 12-15$/folding to shove is also fine.
      And I don´t like 4-bet pf, since you´re not really getting there all-in ahead.
      Better is just call 3-bet (even oop) or fold.

      Indeed we wouldn't be a favourite if it came to a shove. But there's certainly something to be said about FE + hand equity of AQo in a blind battle, isn't there?

      His 3betting range will be rather loose here and most of it can find an easy fold against a 4bet. If he shoves we can either find a fold or call if we think he could be shoving kinda lossely
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by caltabiano
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Likely I´d c/f, although betting 12-15$/folding to shove is also fine.
      And I don´t like 4-bet pf, since you´re not really getting there all-in ahead.
      Better is just call 3-bet (even oop) or fold.

      Indeed we wouldn't be a favourite if it came to a shove. But there's certainly something to be said about FE + hand equity of AQo in a blind battle, isn't there?

      His 3betting range will be rather loose here and most of it can find an easy fold against a 4bet. If he shoves we can either find a fold or call if we think he could be shoving kinda lossely
      Since we don´t hold there smt like J8s, I like calling, because people mostly would c-bet on A or Q high boards and if they hold top pair they would likely also go all-in, if there is any chance that we hold draw.
      But if we 4-bet and get shoved, player has to shove really light, smt like 99+, AQ+ to call there and not sure he would- he sometimes would just flatcall to shove over us some boards and other times we´re just crushed.
      Although I don´t mind 4-bet/call, I think we have to have some history first.