Looking for experienced advice to chose the site

    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      Hello,

      I'm Franco, and I am a experienced poker player. I use to play 5/10 when i go to casinos.
      One of my best friend's son, talked me about the new poker online system and he mentioned me that it is growing up every day and every day.

      I don't really know if trust or not in poker online, because i don't know if i am playing against a real person, or against a poker machine.
      This guy recommended me this site to start playing at a online poker site and he firstly recommended me Full Tilt Poker.

      I would like to hear about ONLINE POKER EXPERIENCED PEOPLE to chose the site , taking into account that this guy it is not a very advanced player and he must not know much about it.

      I'll start playing the lowest limits i could play when i get my first capital just to try the online poker to check it out. Then, if i see it is trustable, i'll probably deposit some dollars because U$ 50 is not enough to play at the limits I use to play live.

      I'll be extremely happy if i get some advice.

      Regards,

      Franco -
  • 18 replies
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
      Black
      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,802
      first things first: 5/10 online plays MUCH tougher than live 5/10, they will crush you, you have to start at lower limits

      you can pretty much trust FTP, its not a scam, if thats what you are worried about :)
    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      redskwerl:

      Hi,

      What do you mean when you say that online player plays much tougher? In which senses? Do you think that is corect?

      Yes, surely i will start at lower limits to try to acoplate to online games , and online players.

      P.D of my 1st post. I chose Cash Games strategy thinking that it was questinons about how to play correctly the cash games and it was wierd short stack strategy which i had to read the articles to pass the test because I really do not think and play the same as the poker strategy short stack strategy says. It is really wierd and i don't know how online poker works but it think it must be rewritten because i don't think that strategy would be profitable. If i am wrong, please, correct me.
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
      Black
      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,802
      I meant that online 5/10 players are significantly better than live players at the same limit.

      I think a good limit to start for you online is 50NL (0.25/0.50).

      I don't know that much about the short stack strategy, but i know that it's supposedly profitable :) I'll let others elaborate on that topic... but as you already have experience playing with a deep stack, you probably should stick with that.
    • williamtywong
      williamtywong
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      Joined: 19.01.2009 Posts: 123
      You don't necessarily have to start with the SSS. I think that is just the suggested beginner's strategy for people who have no background in poker. I played about 60k hands of it just to test it out (played online poker for about 4 years before joining PS), and now i've switched to BSS.

      None of the sites are scams, and they will all pay out your money if you win. However, I do find that the financial processing speed at PokerStars is much faster than at FTP. I've also played BSS on Everest at the micro-limits and it's quite profitable, very soft tables.

      The key reason (I believe) why $5/$10 games are much tougher online than live is due to the fact that at most casinos, $5/$10 is the lowest limit that they offer (although I know some have $1/2). Thus, even the weakest players must start there, thereby making the tables softer. Also, do keep in mind that stat programs are not available in live casino play, a fact that also lowers the level of play.

      One of the keys to playing online poker successfully (as opposed to live casino), is that you have to make good reads based on the stats available to you (via elephant software or poker tracker). I think that this is the difference you'll find between the two venues.

      As such, I would recommend even starting down at NL10 ($0.10) BSS, which would actually require you to deposit about $200 (if you want to keep proper BRM, can always try with less first, as long as you dont' play scared money). Once you are more familiar with stats and multi-tabling (another unique feature of online poker), you can slowly move up the limits. I think the competition jumps quite a big level at NL50 (.25/.50) and again at NL100 ($1). However, a big winrate (always a good way to start) is definitely possible at NL10 & NL20 if you play properly.
    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      Boys,

      Thanks all for the advice.

      I have finally chose Full Tilt Poker for my first online poker account.

      I was in a hard investigation and i finally chose that.

      Read that the poker stars players were much stronger than full tilt poker ones.

      So, to start, it is ok if I play on the one who people say it is easier to start.

      I will keep you noticed about my news when i get my account ready to play.

      Sincerely,

      Franco :spade:
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by redskwerl
      first things first: 5/10 online plays MUCH tougher than live 5/10, they will crush you, you have to start at lower limits

      you can pretty much trust FTP, its not a scam, if thats what you are worried about :)
      this.
    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
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      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      TheBrood,

      What do you mean when you say "this"?

      Hugs,

      Franco
    • SoyCD
      SoyCD
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 6,356
      Originally posted by FrancoJLD
      TheBrood,

      What do you mean when you say "this"?

      Hugs,

      Franco
      Hello FrancoJLD and welcome to PokerStrategy!

      I hope you enjoy your stay here and manage to fine-tune your live Poker knowledge & to establish yourself online.

      Regarding TheBrood's statement: Quoting someone and saying "this" is internet colloquial speech for agreeing what was said in the quoted statement (instead of writing it out oneself).

      As already stated here; online and live poker are two pair of shoes. Although the basics are the same - the importance of a mathematically solid game is much more important online. This is because you are playing a lot more hands, face better opponents, and can't rely on the typical "live reads".

      You can find most of the information you need in the article section:
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/no-limit/ and even more in our video area: http://www.pokerstrategy.com/video/

      As you move up in status the articles and videos also increase in depth and complexity. For the beginning I suggest to simply soak in the new atmosphere and to stick to bankroll management ;)

      Hope to see you around the forums!

      Best regards
      SoyCD
    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
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      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      Hello everyone,

      I have been playing for some hours and to be sincere, i have really found poker online harder and different than live poker.

      I am down a couple of buck but i will keep learning every hour i play

      I will keep you advised on how am i doing.

      Regards,

      Franco
    • MiddleofNowhere
      MiddleofNowhere
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      Joined: 05.03.2009 Posts: 42
      I join the welcoming crowd :)

      Well, to me SSS seems to be quite profitable... I play it - with some tinkering of course, since I don't like playing like a robot... Some elements from big stack strategy are quite useful even at SSS.

      And hell yeah, online is a lot harder than offline... But you mostly should play mathematically at the lowe limits (lower than NL20). Calculating odds etc.. The software is an extremely nice thing at higher limits, where the number of players is not that large.

      Good luck at Full Tilt :)
    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
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      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      MiddleofNowhere,

      Hi, and thanks for your advice.

      I have been playing some games for today, a lot of varieties which i have found very intersting and very new for me.
      Like for example super turbo sit and goes, heads up shootouts sit and goes, cap pot limit omaha hi tables, and many others things.

      After a day of game play, i am at U$ 50 like i started, thing which i find not bad for my first day of hard work. (i say hard work because i dont win hehehe, but i am doing it to learn and mostly for fun at this limits)

      MiddleofNowhere, I will be really glad if you say me when and where can i see you playing because i really wanna see someone using the SSS and being profitable at the same time.

      I will check out later for your response.

      Hugs,

      Franco.
    • MiddleofNowhere
      MiddleofNowhere
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      Joined: 05.03.2009 Posts: 42
      Well, i play at Mansion poker..

      However, I am having a huge downswing last 2 days. I was having like 160 bucks, now I am down to 60-70 =\ May be thats what happens when you jump over your limits, since i started playing NL20 almost the same day my 50 bucks arrived.

      SSS is in fact a mathematical strategy..

      You can see the videos, however.. In the "video" section. There are some examples, they may be useful for you.

      In fact, the right thing to do is just calculating the number of your outs... This keeps ur mind busy from trying to put any unnecessary risks into your game as well as helps you to win.
    • Shadow01011979
      Shadow01011979
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      Joined: 30.01.2009 Posts: 1,077
      Hi Franco and Good Luck!

      What user do you have on FullTilt?
      Maybe I'll see you at the tables (my user is the same as here).
      And the ShortStackStrategy really works as long as you respect the rules...
      It is not adviceble to try different strategies from higher limits at 10NL since many players really have a hard time folding, even when they are behind... but some of them are extremly lucky!

      Well cheers and see ya!
      Good luck!
    • FrancoJLD
      FrancoJLD
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      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 11
      Hi,

      I am back again. I was on a 2 week holiday trip to Brazil.
      Unfortunately, one of the sons of my brother asked me to let him play poker with me and i was in Brazil, and he played, and he could not win any and now my account is in 0! :(

      But no problem, i will be probably be depositing this month 1k to try some higher tables.

      See you there!

      Hugs'

      Franco
    • thebigheizung85
      thebigheizung85
      Silver
      Joined: 12.08.2006 Posts: 195
      smells like desaster... i have no clue how strong a player you are, but one could get the impression that you overrate yourself (basically because your online experience is very slim) and that you are going to be a nice fish for the players of the higher limits

      i wish you all the best and hope for you that i'm wrong, but i thought maybe some tough words now than crushing 1k in no time...
    • MrMardyBum
      MrMardyBum
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      Joined: 14.03.2009 Posts: 2,206
      As you are new to online poker, may I suggest you just deposit a smaller amount, and buy yourself pokertracker 3. Keep a record of your hands and beat each limit of play from at least NL25 before you invest so much. I'd recommend putting in like $100 and starting a t NL10 and building that to $150 then try NL25 and so on. But it's your choice of course.

      Good luck at the tables,

      Danny
    • doironijs233
      doironijs233
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      Joined: 20.04.2009 Posts: 16
      RULE #1 DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT PLAY BLACKJACK OR THE CASINO SECTION EVER.

      RULE#2 REMEMBER RULE #1

      So ok I had won 2$ (up to 52$) turned that 2$ into 150$ then went straight back down to 50$.MURPHY's LAW! easy winnings will be also be equally easily taken lol and once u turn 2$ into 150$ oh man ur a big shot but um u quickly find out how casinos make their money hehe PLAY POKER NOT BLACKJACK/BACCARAT AHHHH

      Back up to 60$ playing poker and sticking to poker errg it's why I love pokerstars no casino tease
    • travoltaJOHNy
      travoltaJOHNy
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      Joined: 17.02.2008 Posts: 149
      How could you ever think that you can make profit from casino or blackjack? It's just f**king luck games, you better invest those money to buy something.
      P.S. I hate luck, because it's reeeeealy rarely on my side :(