[NL2-NL10] NL10 SH: Top pair against unknowns

    • maya1984
      maya1984
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      Joined: 18.12.2008 Posts: 1,741
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy hand converter:

      Known players:
      MP3:
      $10.10
      CO:
      $2.90
      BU:
      $3.35
      SB:
      $9.25
      BB:
      $10.00

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, 8.
      Hero raises to $0.4, CO folds, BU raises to $0.7, SB calls $0.65, BB folds, Hero calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($2.20) 8, 4, 6 (3 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.50, BU raises to $1, SB calls $1.00, Hero raises to $3.1, BU calls $1.65, SB raises to $8.55, Hero calls $5.45.

      Turn: ($21.95) 3 (3 players)

      River: ($21.95) 6 (3 players)

      Final Pot: $21.95.

      I put SB on a draw (based on the call on the flop) (But thought about again when he shoved...) BU was short so I didn't mine getting him into the pot.
      My pot odds were 1:3. Are you making the call against two unknows?
  • 3 replies
    • Fongie
      Fongie
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      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      PF: I'm just folding here, even for that cheap price I don't want to sit in a 3bet pot in between 2 villains where 1 is short stacked (= bad implieds for call pf) with Q8s. I would even say that Q8s is a pretty loose range to open raise from MP at all.

      Flop: As played, donking is good but you need to make it bigger - $1.5 is good. If BU then shoves and SB calls or reraises I will just fold because you're probably beat - both against BU who 3bets pf and by SB - your top pair really isn't very good here at all. I would avoid this toughish decision by folding preflop :P
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Per Fongie, that flop bet is simply too weak. You flop TPGK and think you might be in front, so you need to bet as if you held AK and that 8 was in fact a K because its exactly the same hand. 2/3rds-3/4 pot for a $1.70 bet.

      Bet-fold is your line here as the only hands that can re-raise you either have you beat or facing very difficult decisions on the turn / river no matter what cards fall (cards under 8 scare you for draw completion, diamonds scare you, cards over 8 that arnt Q scare you, and a Q or 8 assures you will go BUST vs a set).

      Re-re-raising then shoving is a major overplay of this hand.
    • maya1984
      maya1984
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      Joined: 18.12.2008 Posts: 1,741
      I do feel like I over played it seeing the hand again. It was really a bad move.
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