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[NL2] QQ river

    • Adelardo
      Adelardo
      Bronze
      Joined: 19.03.2008 Posts: 1,739
      How to play that hand ?

      PokerStars - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
      Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

      UTG: 130 BB (VPIP: 21.95, PFR: 17.07, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 43)
      Hero (CO): 93.5 BB
      BTN: 193.5 BB (VPIP: 29.08, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 2.56, Hands: 143)
      SB: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 14.89, PFR: 4.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 48)
      BB: 194.5 BB (VPIP: 21.85, PFR: 15.97, 3Bet Preflop: 6.00, Hands: 121)

      SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

      Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q:heart: Q:diamond:

      UTG raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG calls 6 BB

      Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) T:spade: 6:heart: A:heart:
      UTG checks, Hero bets 9.5 BB, UTG calls 9.5 BB

      Turn: (38.5 BB, 2 players) A:spade:
      UTG checks, Hero checks

      River: (38.5 BB, 2 players) J:spade:
      UTG bets 24.5 BB

      Hero ?
  • 10 replies
    • zerocold77
      zerocold77
      Silver
      Joined: 19.02.2019 Posts: 26
      I think the continuation bet after flop is bad.

      I think fold is the best option. But I would have played differently with check/fold after flop.

      Or check/call if the size are low.
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
      Silver
      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 4,168
      Betting OTF and checking back OTT or vice versa depends on how you play your whole range here and what it looks like. You can check back QQ here if say you are also checking low suited aces but you could very well decide to bet it all that also have some merits depending on villains etc.
      As played fold OTR.
    • zerocold77
      zerocold77
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      Joined: 19.02.2019 Posts: 26
      Originally posted by MyFloXyBabY
      Betting OTF and checking back OTT or vice versa depends on how you play your whole range here and what it looks like. You can check back QQ here if say you are also checking low suited aces but you could very well decide to bet it all that also have some merits depending on villains etc.
      As played fold OTR.
      What is OTF and OTT ? OTF: on the flop ? OTT: on the turn ?

      I agree depends on villains styles the choice, but without this info Fold off course.
    • herrmutig
      herrmutig
      Gold
      Joined: 18.10.2018 Posts: 130
      What is OTF and OTT ? OTF: on the flop ? OTT: on the turn ?
      yep:f_thumbsup:
    • la55i
      la55i
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      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 8,909
      I would probably play flop and turn the other way around, checking behind OTF and making a delayed cbet OTT. But as Floxy said both should be ok.
    • Adelardo
      Adelardo
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      Joined: 19.03.2008 Posts: 1,739
      I have pay at the river but I think it was an error.
    • la55i
      la55i
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      Joined: 27.01.2013 Posts: 8,909
      Originally posted by Adelardo
      I have pay at the river but I think it was an error.
      Yea. UTG opens with a quite tight range usually so when UTG faces a 3bet and is OOP postflop he probably calls the 3bet with very tight range also. I might be a bit tight in these situations but in this case I would call pre with something like 99-QQ, ATs+, sometimes I maybe could flat KK but not often, and I think hand like JTs or T9s could be called with some frequency. Some guys might call KQs I guess.

      When you think about that range, it looks like you are crushed by UTG.
    • Oly0909
      Oly0909
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      Joined: 08.06.2008 Posts: 902
      Question for more experienced players. If we bet that flop, don’t we turn our hand into a bluff? Isn’t it better if we check behind and bluff catch on turn, or bet our selves if it’s checked twice?
    • SDK1987
      SDK1987
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      Joined: 12.11.2008 Posts: 41,080
      It's indeed a bluff on the flop and checking the flop seems alright. Off course it's tough to represent Ax with checking, but you keep his range wider.
    • MyFloXyBabY
      MyFloXyBabY
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      Joined: 15.02.2010 Posts: 4,168
      "Bluff" isn't the right word as you aren't gonna make a better hand fold. Thinking only in terms of value and bluff OTF isn't always relevant as it happens in this case. By betting you accomplish subtle things (bluring your whole range, denying equity to villain's range,...) that may or may not be worth it.