[NL2-NL10] QQ preflop

    • sviridenich
      sviridenich
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 79
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy hand converter:

      Known players:
      BU:
      $11.50
      SB:
      $25.64
      BB:
      $6.91
      MP2:
      $9.50
      MP3:
      $9.65
      CO:
      $12.56

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q.
      2 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, BU raises to $1.35, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BU raises to $11.5(All-In), Hero folds, BU gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $5.50.


      Known players:
      SB:
      $12.44
      BB:
      $10.00
      MP2:
      $4.28
      MP3:
      $4.69
      CO:
      $13.85
      BU:
      $8.26

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (6 handed)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, Q.
      MP2 folds, MP3 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.5, BU folds, SB raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.7, SB folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $2.20.

      Two similar cases, but one time I win another time I lose,
      how to play here.
      Maybe it is critically player dependant decision and I must use stats,
      what stats exactly should I use? vpip? PFR ? or smt else
      What does these figures tell me.
  • 3 replies
    • Fongie
      Fongie
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      I would never ever fold QQ in that spot in hand #1. Shove it!! You can't 4bet-fold with QQ!

      Hand 2 is good.

      Stats help in all hand evaluations, the standard ones are VPIP/PFR/AF (amount of hands)
    • sviridenich
      sviridenich
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 79
      Hand1 If villain has QQ+ against me, my chances to win is 20% and I have to put my 8$ so in long run i'll lose approximately 16*0.2 - 8*0.8 = 3.2 $ per each such move.
      If i give AK than my chance much better and I'll have 40% so expectation is 16*0.4- 8*0.6= 1.6 $ for me.
      The question is what hand should have my opponent to go all-in preflop, should he have AK or even somethin much more worst.
      What stats should he have to make such moves?
      What figures?
    • Fongie
      Fongie
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      Most opponents will shove at least AK and QQ+, sure there are some who will only shove KK and AA, but then they will fold to your 3bet often!
      4bet-folding and even 3bet-folding with QQ is just waaay too weak.
      And finally, you'd be surprised at what people shove sometimes. Often you're quite ahead here aswell.

      Does it make sense?