This hand made me feel physically sick in my gut.

    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $35.43
      MP2:
      $38.55

      0.1/0.2 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with A:heart: , A:spade:
      4 folds, MP2 raises to $0.80, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2.40, MP2 calls $1.60.

      Flop: ($4.90) 6:club: , 6:spade: , 3:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $3.70, MP2 raises to $8.00, Hero raises to $15.00, MP2 calls $7.00.

      Turn: ($34.90) 8:club: (2 players)
      Hero bets $18.03 (All-In), MP2 calls $18.03.

      River: ($70.96) T:club: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $70.96

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows two pairs, aces and sixes (Ah As)
      MP2 shows a flush, ten high (9c 9h)

      MP2 wins with a flush, ten high (9c 9h)



      Today has been about $120 downswing. Counting that hand just in pots > $10 im up to about -$90 in rediculous (22% or worse) suckouts in one night.

      This coming the day after a hand I will never forget. Hero holds KK in the BB, with a 2bet, 3bet and call in front from two mids and a short. Hero squeezes, UTG halfy shoves, others call around to hero who also calls.

      UTG halfy (had all covered) turns JTo
      Mid short turns TT
      Mid halfy turns KJs

      Hero holds 80% chance preflop. Only the case ten, a str or flush could crack.

      Flop falls rag rag 7.
      Turn 8
      River 9

      Pokerstove gave the JTo a 2% return preflop on his shove. JTo scoops the pot.

      I am going to have to holdem manager and check my EV vs real for the last 3 days because I am completely convinced im about $200 EV down.
  • 15 replies
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Well not $200 EV down. Only about 90.

      Redeemed -112 into +5 xD
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Yea, i know that sick feeling... feels... SICK :D
      Shit happens, carry on soldier! :]
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      It sure does and I did :) ending session now at +38, thats a lazy +150 turnaround from the depths of a -112 hell.

      Pretty happy atm :)
    • NightFrostaSS
      NightFrostaSS
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      Joined: 25.10.2008 Posts: 5,255
      Whoa, congrats :D
      Just that i wouldn't advocate playing much when loosing, could get much worse then. ;)
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Ive gotten very good at controlling tilt impulses recently :)
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Another morning means its a new day right?

      Or maybe not. Down 50 in an hours play. All in EV is down nearly twice that.

      Check this out vs the same known maniac (96 77 2.5 26 atm)


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG1:
      $32.81
      Hero:
      $24.80

      0.1/0.2 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A:club: , K:diamond:
      UTG1 raises to $1.00, 4 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, UTG1 calls $1.50.

      Flop: ($5.30) 9:diamond: , 5:club: , J:spade: (2 players)
      UTG1 checks, Hero bets $4.00, UTG1 raises to $13.00, Hero raises to $22.30 (All-In), UTG1 calls $9.30.

      Turn: ($49.90) Q:heart:
      River: ($49.90) 2:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $49.90

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows high card ace with king kicker (Ac Kd)
      UTG1 shows a pair of deuces (3s 2d)

      UTG1 wins with a pair of deuces (3s 2d)



      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG2:
      $41.80
      Hero:
      $20.00

      0.1/0.2 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A:spade: , 3:spade:
      UTG1 folds, UTG2 raises to $1.00, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 3 folds, UTG2 calls $1.50.

      Flop: ($5.30) Q:club: , K:club: , A:club: (2 players)
      UTG2 checks, Hero bets $4.00, UTG2 calls $4.00.

      Turn: ($13.30) 2:heart: (2 players)
      UTG2 checks, Hero bets $13.50 (All-In), UTG2 calls $13.50.

      River: ($40.30) 6:club: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $40.30

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a pair of aces (As 3s)
      UTG2 shows a flush, ace high (6s 2c)

      UTG2 wins with a flush, ace high (6s 2c)
    • DecMate
      DecMate
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      Joined: 25.01.2009 Posts: 1,107
      to be honest it serves you the first one. I mean what were you thinking pushing all in? I can only explain this as you were on tilt.
      !BRM!
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Hehe no, definantly not on tilt.

      Have you ever played against a manic throwing a money party Dec? This guy was raising 77% playing 96%. River shoving air then showing it. He was perfectly capable of having exactly what he had, and I still had about a 24% redraw even if he had it / had a PP :)
    • reggie123
      reggie123
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      Joined: 31.03.2009 Posts: 336
      Dude, last hand you posted is like, why? If there is a realy bad flop, you can allways fold, turn check, and if he push, then is fold only option. Idiots love flashdraws.
      But I know what do you mean play by the maniac aggressor. Yesterday i raise, he reraise and i go all in A :spade: ,K :spade: and that !#%%! calls with 4 :heart: ,9 :club: and surprise surprise flop looks something like 4,5,9.. and then he start to explain how good he is and so on. .next hand went all in aganst full hause.. And play your AA hands even more aggressively, although most players dont fold 9,9 just like that.
      My recommendation is take a small break:)
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      I disagree here... I want to be called by FDs for a full pot bet! They are paying 33% of the total pot for a ~20% chance to win...

      Id take a break if it was tilting me... it wasnt... I just post here looking for empathy ;) I redeemed those losses as well today and currently sit +70 odd for the session (120 turnaround).

      I cant wait for a session where I dont start in a hole :)
    • Dragar
      Dragar
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      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      A3s I would fold pre.... but k your playing against a super fish.

      First hand I also would not bother.


      Do not try to outplay fish, it doesn't work. Play them strictly for value when your way ahead.
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      He wasnt a fish though, he was a money party maniac.

      A3 is so far ahead of his raise range its worth shipping preflop. Correct play vs maniac is to attack harder, not rock up.
    • Dragar
      Dragar
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      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      Originally posted by Jaissica
      He wasnt a fish though, he was a money party maniac.

      A3 is so far ahead of his raise range its worth shipping preflop. Correct play vs maniac is to attack harder, not rock up.
      No its not very far ahead against his range.

      His raise pre-flop is 79%.. am taking it down to 60% cause of small sample size (should probably take it more down but yeah).

      A3 on this board is ahead by 9% against his range.
      If I make his range tighter.. lets say 40%, you would only be ahead by 3%

      Look for better spots imo.

      P.S
      Pre-flop its a coinflip against his range. Your not ahead, only by like 3%-5% or so. And even maniacs narrow their range a lot after 4-bets etc.
    • thebigheizung85
      thebigheizung85
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      i also prefer to have some type of hand against maniacs. i know it is giving up some EV maybe, but since you can still stack him with a solid hand i definitely prefer the 'safe way'

      and you can't 'complain' about downswings if you are willing to shove in your money on coinflips or very slim edges
      you are willing to have a big variance in your game... so deal with it :-)
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Remebering the downswing complaint was made on an aces vs 9s suckout in the OP...


      Here is a funny hand that made me laugh. Villain is loose-passive-able to call down for stacks with air.


      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $4.11
      Hero:
      $20.23

      0.1/0.2 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 9:diamond: , 5:spade:
      7 folds, SB calls $0.10, Hero checks.

      Flop: ($0.40) 7:heart: , 5:heart: , A:spade: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      Turn: ($0.40) 5:club: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20.

      River: ($0.80) 9:heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $19.83 (All-In), SB raises to $3.71 (All-In).

      Final Pot: $24.34

      Results follow (highlight to see):
      Hero shows a full-house, fives full of nines (9d 5s)
      SB shows a full-house, aces full of fives (Ac Ah)

      SB wins with a full-house, aces full of fives (Ac Ah)