Preflop odds

    • Ejeckt
      Ejeckt
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      Joined: 06.12.2008 Posts: 517
      I heard that there's a chart in the gold FL strategy section that would answer this, but my home poker room isn't tracked by PS so it's a bit of a mission to make points

      Anyway...

      what sorts of odds does one need to correctly call PF with:

      1. Any two cards
      2. Suited connectors
      3. Suited 1 gappers > 3.1 Suited 2 gappers
      4. Off connectors
      5. Suited face card connectors

      Thanks :)
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    • ciRith
      ciRith
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      Joined: 25.03.2005 Posts: 18,556
      Hi Ejeckt,

      the "chart" isn't very up to date but still "ok". (Poketpairs doesn't need 7,5:1 for eample.)
      I don't have it here right now but I try to write it down anyway. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong.

      1. Never. ;)
      2. 3,5:1
      3. 4:1 3.1 4,5:1
      4. 5,5:1
      5. 5,5:1 (Or 3-bet them. :D )
    • Ejeckt
      Ejeckt
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      Joined: 06.12.2008 Posts: 517
      Never call any two? SHC says SB should call any two with 4 or more limpers :P That's 1/2 small bets to 5 small bets.

      Ah, wait... I just realized that that at a full ring you'd need a raise and 4 or 5 callers, and be in the BB to get odds.

      :P

      And suited connectors... do you, in linear fashion, add another 1/2 small bets for 3-gappers?

      Oh, and what about any two suited? SHC says to call in small blind when there are 2+ limpers... does the 1:6 (1/2 small bets to 3 small bets) also apply to other positions?

      Or should one call PF with any two, and any two suited, only from the SB in these special circumstances?

      Thanks.
    • LemOn36
      LemOn36
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      Joined: 07.02.2009 Posts: 1,356
      OH MAAAN I need this for NL!

      somebody point me to table that says how often I hit 2Pair, FH and everything else with what cards pronto please!
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello,

      Pocketpair -> 7.5:1
      Suited connectors -> 3:1
      Suited 1-gap -> 3.5:1
      Suited 2-gaps -> 4:1
      Any suited -> 5.5:1
      Offsuited connector -> 5.5:1
      Offsuited 1-gap -> 7.5:1
      Offsuited 2-gaps -> 11.5:1
      Offsuited Ax -> 20.5:1

      Best regards,
      Rensu
    • Ejeckt
      Ejeckt
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      Thanks, Rensu :)
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,270
      Originally posted by ciRith
      1. Never. ;)
      Imagine you're in the some kind of milestone hand and winner will get $500,000. Would you fold any two? ;)
    • Ejeckt
      Ejeckt
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      Joined: 06.12.2008 Posts: 517
      Risk 1 to win 5000000? Mmm... knowing my luck, I'll probably get a disconnect or timeout at a hand like that. So it would fold me.
      :P
    • ciRith
      ciRith
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      Joined: 25.03.2005 Posts: 18,556
      Originally posted by opal99
      Originally posted by ciRith
      1. Never. ;)
      Imagine you're in the some kind of milestone hand and winner will get $500,000. Would you fold any two? ;)
      Hmm calling anytwo would mean I'm a fish but being a rish fish is better than a poor shark. Convinced. :D