[NL20-NL50] KQh MP1

    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG2:
      $22.89
      Hero:
      $20.64
      MP2:
      $10.30
      BU:
      $20.15

      0.1/0.2 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K:heart: , Q:heart:
      UTG1 folds, UTG2 calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20, 2 folds, BU raises to $0.40, 2 folds, UTG2 calls $0.20, Hero calls $0.20, MP2 calls $0.20.

      Flop: ($1.90) 8:diamond: , T:heart: , Q:spade: (4 players)
      UTG2 checks, Hero bets $1.20, MP2 folds, BU raises to $2.40, 2 folds.

      Final Pot: $5.50
  • 9 replies
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
      I think it's because of the AF of the opponent, he could be easily Check/Raising a draw on flop and it will be hard to Call for you so just Check behind and let him bluff on turn and you will still get some value from worser hands. Also you with betting you will make worser hands. Position is pretty good here also to play against such opponents.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
      I think it's because of the AF of the opponent, he could be easily Check/Raising a draw on flop and it will be hard to Call for you so just Check behind and let him bluff on turn and you will still get some value from worser hands. Also you with betting you will make worser hands. Position is pretty good here also to play against such opponents.
      But BU is unknown
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by veriz
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
      I think it's because of the AF of the opponent, he could be easily Check/Raising a draw on flop and it will be hard to Call for you so just Check behind and let him bluff on turn and you will still get some value from worser hands. Also you with betting you will make worser hands. Position is pretty good here also to play against such opponents.
      But BU is unknown
      Oh, I see, only see few hands. Then the other reasons what I wrote, that you will be in dumb situation if you get raised and also. Worser hand will just fold here but if you just check then you could make a worser hand bet on turn and get money from him. Also you will be in bad spot if you get raised, hard to decide which the best move. :P
    • saywhat
      saywhat
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      Joined: 25.11.2008 Posts: 253
      Why did you only call preflop. I would have raised preflop even though there was a limper, plus MP2 and button are loose players. I know you have limited info but the button has played almost every hand and the MP2 plays every other hand. Button also raises to often.
      IMO i would have never folded this hand on the flop, in fact i would tend to think i am ahead. Chances are i would reraise him as you are now heads up. Put a little pressure on him, so many hands you could be ahead.
      Just me opinion.
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
      depends on the player c/c turn and likely c/f river or if player is very nit then c/f turn.
      If you had raised pf, you don´t have to play that guessing game postflop.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,382
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
      depends on the player c/c turn and likely c/f river or if player is very nit then c/f turn.
      If you had raised pf, you don´t have to play that guessing game postflop.
      Seems to me it would be same game if I raise pf and he calls
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Raise pf for value.
      I think c/c seems better line, than leading out and folding to raise.
      why? is it because we want a cheap showdown?

      if i c/c flop what do i do on later streets?
      depends on the player c/c turn and likely c/f river or if player is very nit then c/f turn.
      If you had raised pf, you don´t have to play that guessing game postflop.
      Seems to me it would be same game if I raise pf and he calls
      no it isn´t
      you´re pf raiser, so you can easily represent there set, two pair, tptk, overpair
      So he isn´t going to raise there too easily, especially when you c-bet 2/3 or 3/4 pot. So if he raises, he has likely most of the times better hand, but here you limped/called and donked out, which makes him believe that you fold there 90%, because you want to know where you at with medium strenth hand.