Confused about betting for Turn for free showdown

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Hi,

      I keep reading about "betting for Turn for a free showdown", and I'm having a bit of difficulty understanding the thinking behind it.

      Say you're OOP heads up and you bet the Turn with a marginal hand. Villain calls and you head to the river. On the river you check. Now, if villain checks behind you get your free showdown - fine. If on the other hand he bets, you have to pay to get to showdown.

      Now assume you're in position. If villain checks to you on the Turn you can 'bet for a free showdown'. Let's say villain calls your bet and then checks to you on the river. Clearly you can then check behind and see a free showdown. But what if he bets out on the river (donks into you)? Then it will again cost you to see the showdown.

      So it seems to entirely depend on your opponent's subsequent play whether you in fact get a free showdown.

      Am I missing s/thing obvious? :(

      Edit: "Furthermore, you could bet the flop for a free card on the turn, as your opponent will often check to you, giving you the river card for free." - I've taken this from the silver article on bet types. I guess this is the same concept. Is the word 'often' the key. I.e. is it just that if villain does call a bet, they will more often check it to you than bet on the next street? If so, does this mean that 'betting Turn for free showdown' is a play that only works when in position'?

      Thanks for any explantions,
      Tim
  • 2 replies
    • FWKanobi
      FWKanobi
      Bronze
      Joined: 13.02.2009 Posts: 740
      Hi Mr. Long post :-)

      Nice question , I've been playing some HU sessions (2-5$) and I think it all depends on the texture of the board and your 2 cards.

      If you have no way to win at showdown , no reason to take a free card , either fold or bet aggressively to claim the pot (as long as your opponent don't rope a dope you :-) )
      if you have good chance to improve and enough money behind , value bet or check and value bet on the river.

      if you have no idea what your opponent have (not a clue , first hands in the match or something like that ) I would suggest on checking for a showdown (and getting some free info by that).

      This is how I play , in heads up you must be aggressive , Hope my tips are good because im pretty new to this.

      Cheers.
    • nafar84
      nafar84
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.09.2008 Posts: 546
      As I understand it, yes, it is only applicable in position... and from experience I can say that it sure does work. Generally, checking the turn behind will induce a river bet more often than not, and betting the turn will induce a river check more often than not.

      The OOP counterpart to this, I suppose, is the blockbet on the river.