Hu Brm

    • TTT241
      TTT241
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      Joined: 27.09.2008 Posts: 452
      Just quick question...

      How many BB for HU should I have?

      Is 1000 BB reasonable number? How big is variance in HU?

      FR is about 13BB/100 hands
      SH is about 15-16BB/100 hands

      HU ??/100 hands

      TTT
  • 9 replies
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,809
      My HUHU variance so far is around 23-24BB/100 (18k hands sample)

      (also, 6max SD gets up to around 18-19BB/100 as you move up higher)

      No idea about the BRM, my preference is at least 1000BBs even for 6max.
      I think if you don't have a problem with tilt and you can move down when you run bad, you can pretty much go with the same bankroll as in SH.
    • TTT241
      TTT241
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      Joined: 27.09.2008 Posts: 452
      Hi!

      If we know the variance the task will be easy - let's open Stox on page 219.

      P(RiskOfRuin) = e^((-2BW)/(V))

      B = banroll, W = winrate, V = variance = SD^2

      Yoghi has 3.36BB/100 Winrate, let say that our tolerance of ruin is 1%, therefore for

      B = -V * ln(P(RiskOfRuin))/2W

      FR: B = -13*13*ln(0.01)/2 = 389BB //WR = 1 BB/100
      SH: B = -18*18*ln(0.01)/2 = 746BB //WR = 1 BB/100
      HU: B = -23*23*ln(0.01)/(2*3.36) = 362BB //WR = 3.36 BB/100


      BR considerations are not bad at all... if you can win this much :evil:
      So 500-600BB is probably reasonable...

      TTT
    • OlivierLu
      OlivierLu
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      Joined: 17.11.2007 Posts: 5,525
      You made an BIG assumption here with you +3.3 BB/100 :D I hope for you is is true :D

      Just reduce it to 2BB/100 and you go to 600BB.
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,809
      I know these formulas and all, but this tells you nothing about how comfortable you are with swings, etc.

      Also in that example you assumed that Yoghi's most probable 'true' winrate is 3.36.
      This is true from a statistical standpoint - however in actuality it may or may not be accurate. I'm not saying Yoghi's not a 3BB/100 winner ;) , but IF he's really only a 2BB/100 winner and was running above expectation before, that would change the BR requirements drastically.
    • TTT241
      TTT241
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      Joined: 27.09.2008 Posts: 452
      That's why I wrote that most probably 500-600 is some reasonable amout that has to be considered...

      And because 2/4 is probably the lowest limit where the rake starts to be beatable, HU is still far far away ;) )

      TTT
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,809
      you can start with HUHU SNGs, it's basically the same game, with very slight differences when the stacks get short

      if you play at FTP or Stars you probably won't have to wait too long to get a game either
    • TTT241
      TTT241
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      Joined: 27.09.2008 Posts: 452
      You are talking about FL HU, right? Because I believe that NL is quite different game ;) ).

      TTT
    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
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      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      Hey, stop underestimating me! Up untill now I've been a 4.4BB/100 winner :D
    • redskwerl
      redskwerl
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      Joined: 03.03.2008 Posts: 3,809
      Yes, I was talking about FL HUHU SNGs ;)