[NL2-NL10] NL25 QQ UTG, flop with paired overcard

    • Yuris125
      Yuris125
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.03.2009 Posts: 319
      Hi,
      Hope this hand is appropriate to post here, it's not a pure SSS. I doubled up on the table when I was in the BB, and was just going to finish the round and leave, when I was dealt QQ UTG (the table was 8-handed, so it actually was UTG2)

      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      $0.1/$0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      CO:
      $38.25
      BU:
      $27.55
      SB:
      $25.00
      BB:
      $5.00
      UTG2(Hero):
      $9.65
      MP1:
      $20.65
      MP2:
      $23.55
      MP3:
      $7.50

      Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with Q, Q.
      Hero raises to $1, MP1 calls $1.00, 2 folds, CO calls $1.00, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($3.35) K, 5, K (3 players)
      Hero bets $2.00, MP1 folds, CO calls $2.00.

      Turn: ($7.35) 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.65(All-In), CO folds, Hero gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $7.35.

      Results follow:

      Hero shows two pairs, kings and queens (Q Q)
      Hero wins with two pairs, kings and queens (Q Q).


      I wonder whether shove on the turn was correct in this situation. I don't have an overpair, but I didn't think the CO had a king, he hesitated for quite a long time before calling on the flop, so I thought he probably had a flush draw, and betting the turn was correct. Since I had less than pot size left, I pushed. Do you think it was the right play?

      Thanks
  • 8 replies
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Hi Yuris,

      Nice hand. I suggest you don't base your decisions on the time villain takes to act (he can be multi-tabling or talking to his mum), but rather think that the KK on the board make it less likely that villain is actually holding yet another K, so the push on turn is good here. He could be calling flop on a FD or PP.

      And even when you double up, you're still playing SSS, it just gets a little more difficult because of increased stack size.

      Best regards.
    • Yuris125
      Yuris125
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.03.2009 Posts: 319
      Thanks! I know that time tell is not a huge tell, just thought it's worth mentioning :) Of course, with 2 kings on the board, I thought I usually was ahead
      Another question I got overnight: if I was raised on the flop here, would it be a push or a fold for me? I'm inclined to think a push would be correct anyway, what's your opinion?

      Thanks!
    • maya1984
      maya1984
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2008 Posts: 1,741
      If you get re raised on the flop:
      1. You are not committed to the pot. you invested 3$ and started with 9.65$
      2. You don't have any stats on villain, so you will to base your decision on math+logic.
      3. There is a chance that villain will raise with king, but he will also raise with FD,A5, or just a PP (66-JJ).

      http://www.PokerStrategy.com
      Operation completed... 58,410 games processed in 0 seconds. Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 61.253% 61.156% 0.195% 38.649% QsQh
      Player 2: 38.747% 38.649% 0.195% 61.156% JJ-66, AKs, AhJh, AhTh, Ah5h, KJs+, AKo, KJo+

      You obviously have a positive EV so if you get re raised shove. :-)
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Nice hand. If villain raised flop I'd go broke...

      ...the way I think in such situations is, if I had overpair(AA) in this spot I wouldn't fold, but a K would have me beat same as it has me beat with QQ, so I go broke.
    • maniac
      maniac
      Bronze
      Joined: 29.03.2006 Posts: 6,545
      nh
    • veriz
      veriz
      Black
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello,

      Nice hand, well played.

      Best regards,
      Rensu
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      nice hand no way i would lay down qq on a paired board like that. with reads you could think about a c/r turn but anyway nh.
    • tonnek
      tonnek
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.02.2009 Posts: 413
      Can someone explain me how to play these situations. I have faced this many times, that I have quite good pair let's say JJ, QQ and then there is KK on the board... How should I play this. If you follow the strategy, I don't have a made hand, so I should fold here if there are more than one players. I am bit confused. Light me up :)