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[NL20-NL50] JJ CO - pf play

    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      UTG:
      $1.45
      MP1:
      $15.51
      Hero:
      $20.00

      0.1/0.2 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with J:diamond: , J:spade:
      UTG raises to $1.45 (All-In), 2 folds, MP1 calls $1.45, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.45, 3 folds.

      Flop: ($4.65) 2:heart: , 9:spade: , 8:club: (2 players)
      MP1 bets $14.06 (All-In), Hero folds.

      Turn: ($18.71) 6:club:
      River: ($18.71) Q:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $18.71

      Hows the pf play? 3 bet?
  • 15 replies
    • Dragar
      Dragar
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      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      Definite 3-bet
      Fold to a shove.
    • Jaissica
      Jaissica
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      Joined: 10.02.2009 Posts: 1,385
      Squeeze preflop and be prepared to stack off. Cold-caller shows little strength so at worst we expect to have a coinflip situation.

      Postflop I am only calling that if i think MP1 is capable of doing it with anything except a set. Stat read isnt good enough to help us here. Hopefully in 50 hands he has done it before.

      Often I think NL20 aggro villain is capable of doing this line with TP, worse PPs, sets, QQ, AK, AQ or JT.
    • veriz
      veriz
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      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504
      Hello,

      Preflop: Ye, I'd 3bet here and hope MP1 drops his hand.

      As played
      Flop: Because I don't get his line, I think I will just Call here and make a note on him. He has a way too big AF, that might be even a push with some overcards.

      Best regards,
      Rensu
    • Atoks
      Atoks
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,397
      3Bet PF is a must here. Everythign else leaves ur hand way too exposed.
      As played I think I'm folding to this huge over bet on the flop. While it could be a bluff, this is still NL20 and I don't think villains bluff at all on boards like this.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      After MP1 coldcalls pf he might have a monster (QQ+, AK) or a medium pp. He might just call pf so as to get another caller and proceed to milk him postflop(SS shove acts as MP1's raise). The ss is all-in and basically out of the hand.

      So I call pf and re-evaluate postflop.

      I figure calling this shove postflop would be risky(I only beat AK, TT imo) and I havent invested much. Also I will get to see unknown's hand anyway =)
    • Talic
      Talic
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      Joined: 04.01.2008 Posts: 1,851
      I 3bet pf.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
    • Dragar
      Dragar
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      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      10 J
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
      any pair.
      I´d shove pf.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
      any pair.
      I´d shove pf.
      What if he has me beat?
    • Kaitz20
      Kaitz20
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      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
      any pair.
      I´d shove pf.
      What if he has me beat?
      Poker is game of incomplete information, can´t really see monsters all the time. If he ahs you beat, then he has you beat, but you´re way ahead of his calling range.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
      any pair.
      I´d shove pf.
      no 4bet?
    • Dragar
      Dragar
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      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
      any pair.
      I´d shove pf.
      no 4bet?
      You want to 4-bet what amount to that villain stack? He will either push or fold to 4-bet. So if you 4-bet you might as well push.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by Dragar
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Anyone want to have shot at guessing his hand?
      any pair.
      I´d shove pf.
      no 4bet?
      You want to 4-bet what amount to that villain stack? He will either push or fold to 4-bet. So if you 4-bet you might as well push.
      Maybe 4bet to represent a stronger hand than JJ?
    • sliggy
      sliggy
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      Joined: 18.10.2008 Posts: 196
      And turn a great hand into a bluff against a player whom you have no fold equity against? Think about this...