1 overcard on flop?

    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

      Let's say that the flop is K72 rainbow and we have AQ, AJ or AT. how many outs can we give ourselves for this hand vs. 2, 3 or 4 opponents?

      or, an even better example, we have A9 on J23 flop.

      cheers!

      primzi
  • 4 replies
    • Ejeckt
      Ejeckt
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      Is this in a raised or limped pot?

      In a limped pot, say in the A9 hand, I'd even discount some of the A outs because it may give someone 2 pair.

      I'm not expert, but I'll take a stab at this anyway. In first hand in a raised pot I'd give you 3 A outs + 66% of your 3 Q outs, because they have a 1/3 chance of hitting the flop. But against a tighter range I'd discount the Q outs alltogether. As I said, this is my inexpert guesstimate thinking. I'd love to hear some expert opinions though :)
    • dulitul
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      it is written in the articles , that with overcards we should raise or call just once , if the pot was raised - then we should fold or merely call...
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      Originally posted by dulitul
      it is written in the articles , that with overcards we should raise or call just once , if the pot was raised - then we should fold or merely call...
      2 overcards is different than 1 overcard .
    • ciRith
      ciRith
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      Hi Primzi,

      against 2 opponent I think you can give yourself no more that 3 outs with only pair outs. The chance that someone already has a pair bigger than your kickr is too high. You also have some reverse implied odds as you don't always win if you improve so overall 3 outs should be fine.
      Against 3 or more I say 2 outs is a good number. Without any acton the chance drawing against a better hand is pretty low. With action is goes down to 0. :)