[NL2-NL10] SSS NL50 - 88, ATo, steal-fold vs resteal

    • theperni
      theperni
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.08.2007 Posts: 4,346
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)

      Known players:
      BU(Hero):
      $6.70
      SB:
      $26.80
      BB:
      $10.00
      UTG1:
      $14.40
      UTG2:
      $42.40
      MP1:
      $9.95
      MP2:
      $10.25
      MP3:
      $67.70
      CO:
      $7.50

      Preflop: Hero is BU with 8, 8.
      5 folds, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.25, SB folds, BB raises to $6, 2 folds, BB gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $3.50.

      Hero 4/4/ats11(1/9)/50hands
      BB 7/6.2/AF1.9/AFq36/foldBB2steal100(27/27)/3bet2.4(blinds2.8(6/217))/WTSD34/W$SD65/1.7Khands


      3bet instead a push scared me; but probably I would have to call because in his resteal-range there are many hands against I'm 55/45.

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      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      $0.25/$0.5 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG2:
      $45.20
      MP1:
      $38.40
      MP2:
      $66.30
      MP3:
      $9.10
      CO:
      $28.85
      BU(Hero):
      $9.25
      SB:
      $60.20
      BB:
      $10.00

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A, T.
      5 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, SB folds, BB raises to $10(All-In), Hero folds, BB gets uncalled bet back.

      Final Pot: $2.50.

      BB 14/11.6/AF3.2/AFq53/foldBB2steal88(30/34)/raiseBB2steal9(3/34)/WTSD37/W$SD40/1.3Khands

      Aggressive player but my hand is often dominated.
  • 10 replies
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      1. hand

      you isolate, its no steal. so BB will not 3bet very loose.
      Perhaps AQ,99 (but this is really loose i think)

      with 88, you have 35,6% equity against that range.
      you need around 34,6-35% equity to call here.

      But I fold because BB will more often have a range of AK,TT


      2. hand
      depends mostly on your ATS(Button)
      If you steal less than 30% from button, its a fold here
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      1. His 3bet range is TT+ AKs and against that range you only have 23% equity so it's a definite fold for me.

      2. Another fold. Based on stats I estimate his range at 88+, ATs+, KTs+, QJs, AJo+, KQo. Against that range you have around 38% equity and you need 41.25% to call.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hello theperni,

      Hand #1

      I would push directly preflop with 13,4BB.

      As played, from the stats I would say BB's range is something like AK/TT+ or preferably even AK/JJ+ and against those two ranges it's close, but I prefer to fold to reduce variance. You need 33,1 equity, but against AK/TT+ you get 31,3 and against AK/JJ+ 33,3.

      Hand #2

      You need 42,1 equity and against 9% range, I say it's a muck as you have only 37,6% equity against this range and you're even behind 10 and 11 resteal range in case 9 isn't correct. Nice fold.

      If you might have any other questions feel free to click the "Advise judge to have another look" button.

      Regards!
      burek2000
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      @burek2k,

      I disagree with your analysis for #1.

      Against TT+, AKs you have little more than 26.3% and against JJ+ AKs you have roughly the same. Pushing is therefore the wrong option.

      54,786,496 games 0.470 secs 1,180,396,800 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 73.692% 73.13% 00.57% 405688848 3146160.00 { TT+, AKs }
      Hand 1: 26.308% 25.74% 00.57% 142805328 3146160.00 { ATo }


      Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

      493,143,552 games 0.410 secs 1,202,789,151 games/sec

      Board:
      Dead:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 74.262% 73.76% 00.50% 363751548 2467974.00 { JJ+, AKs }
      Hand 1: 25.738% 25.24% 00.50% 124456056 2467974.00 { ATo }
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      (above)
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      I think you confused both hands a little bit, because hero in hand #1 has 88, not ATo and therefore...

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 68,663% 68,467% 0,393% 31,140% TT+, AKs, AKo
      Player 2: 31,337% 31,140% 0,393% 68,467% 88

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 66,719% 66,530% 0,379% 33,092% JJ+, AKs, AKo
      Player 2: 33,281% 33,092% 0,379% 66,530% 88

      I hope this explains my analysis.
    • mbml
      mbml
      Black
      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      You're right I forgot my reading glasses :tongue:
    • MancaMulas
      MancaMulas
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.03.2009 Posts: 4,491
      in SSS, you must not play a pair of 8's when if face a re-raise, so fold!
      and in the second hand, AT doesn't even come on the chart, so fold too!
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Originally posted by MancaMulas
      in SSS, you must not play a pair of 8's when if face a re-raise, so fold!
      and in the second hand, AT doesn't even come on the chart, so fold too!
      This would be absolutely correct way to play according to the basic strategy.

      But player who posted hands is already gold member and he posted statistics as well, therefore I evaluate the hands according to advanced SSS. After reading Steals/resteals article you will as well learn why raising AT from BU isn't wrong when all the players have folded. Also folding 88 to a reraise isn't that simple, because it all depends on the raise/stack sizes and your opponent's reraising range.

      On PS.com is a lot of learning material on all these subjects, so I hope you will soon achieve silver status and new improvement of the game with it. :f_wink:
    • MancaMulas
      MancaMulas
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.03.2009 Posts: 4,491
      for me it's dificcult to get 400 startegy points in the last 4 weeks, my bankroll allows me to play only NL5. Ok thank you for reply