[NL2-NL10] Nl10Sh Aa

    • silent21
      silent21
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      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      MP ($13.83)
      Hero (CO) ($14.73)
      Button ($22.98)
      SB ($10)
      BB ($9.60)
      UTG ($23.64)

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A, A
      UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, Hero bets $0.50, Button calls $0.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.40

      Flop: ($1.65) 8, 7, 2 (3 players)
      UTG bets $1.65, Hero raises to $6.60, 1 fold, UTG calls $4.95

      Turn: ($14.85) 10 (2 players)
      UTG checks, Hero bets $7.63 (All-In), UTG calls $7.63

      River: ($30.11) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

      Total pot: $30.11 | Rake: $2

      this guy was playing 68/17 but his af is 0.9 over 100 hands. i know i played this handy pretty tilty

      considering i am 150bb deep and this guy can cover me and he is betting pot into 2 - preflop raiser and one more guy how should i play?
  • 6 replies
    • maya1984
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      I'll make 5$ on the flop.
      The Th is really a bad card. I'm checking behind on the turn aming for a free SD.
    • Fongie
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      Nh. Checking behind is not very good because a non-flush hand can get away on the river then. Ship it on the turn.
    • maya1984
      maya1984
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      oh I didn't notice that he was holding the A of :heart:
      :D It's a nice hand then.
    • silent21
      silent21
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      can you please explain why i should play it this way. recently i found that my biggest leak in my play is how i play overpairs and i try to stick to the rules but you guys are giving sometimes different advice than what is written in the basic articles. i know that you are more experienced but before i know how to play some hand i need to know why exactly it is played this way.

      i know folding on flop is too weak but i was really contemplating it. villain is with af 0.9 and he did bet pot oop vs two. i see him doing this with set/2pp/oesdf also if called why exactly shoving turn is the correct play as either he improved to a monster or i am still behind but with some outs - either i will hit heart and most probably beat his set or on the other side i will still lose 150BB.

      as played he showed me 27o OMG. from his side i think this play was not bad because he wanted to protect on the flop against draws and on the turn when 10h came every possible draw completed - flush/str he checked.

      do u think if i have a read [based only on stats] a fold [0 ev] is a better choice, or possibly a call and reevaluate turn as i am IP ?
    • maya1984
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      Well, if you have a read on the guy and you know he will almost always bet with set/2pair/oesdf - you can slow down on the flop and play the hand passivelyby checking it down to SD.
      About shoving the turn, the all idea behind it is FE. - If you know that villain will probably won't fold it's better off to check behind. If a heart comes up you bust him.

      I am not that familer with NL10 SH (even thgugh I tried it recentaly) but FR's fish with low AF can bet on that flop with a pair or gutshot. So really your line here if fish optimal... :)

      Hope this helps a little bit. GL!
    • Fongie
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      Well, the problem here is his potsize bet and his AF. What could it mean? The problem is that you don't want to fold an overpair to just a potsize bet, that would be way too weak.
      Can you call it? It is a possibility but on the other hand many people donk their draws and you can't give a freecard to a draw. As to the AF.. well, you need quite a lot of hands for a good AF sample. You also never know with fish, some people decide that youve been contibetting them so much this time they're gonna go first. With all this in mind.. oh, and he's a fish! A raise is probably best.

      You can't raise less since you're deep (his fd odds are still OK), a little more wouldn't actually be bad. On the turn you're commited which is why shoving is the right play (better than cb for the extra fold equity and because if a 4cardflush hits on the river you can lose value from some hands).
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      Board: 8h7h2c Th
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 41,173 % 41,173 % 0,000 % 58,827 % AhAc
      Player 2: 58,827 % 58,827 % 0,000 % 41,173 % 88-77, 22, 87s, 82s, 72s, 6h5h, A8o, 87o, 82o, 72o, A8s

      (I gave him A8 cause I really think he can have that, and also, I can see several other hands too.. slowplayed overpairs (with a H)? Other pair + 1cardfds? This range is tight for a fish)