On the subject of stats crawler sites (eg: SharkScope)

    • Rauchg
      Joined: 18.04.2009 Posts: 23
      Hello fellow Poker strategists,

      I read a message by a gold member on the board stating that some stats crawling sites will get you banned, with no questions asked, from the Poker sites. As I was concerned, I contacted PokerStars because I had frequently used SharkScope, an application which I have now learned is very controversial.

      I suggest this post is made sticky for other members to be aware of. This is what they replied:

      Hello Guillermo,

      Thank you for your Email. PokerStars has been listening to recent
      player feedback regarding SharkScope.

      We want to limit the amount of information that third party results
      websites can publish because of our strong commitment to upholding the
      integrity of our games. We oppose websites publishing player
      profitability data by default for two key reasons:

      Firstly, many of our players simply don't want their ROI information to
      be publicly available. They have a right to privacy of this information.

      Secondly, it gives an unfair advantage to those players who are able to
      obtain ROI data about players who have not consented for their
      information to be shown.

      We have been working with various sites that currently display player
      profitability data and the vast majority of those sites have agreed to
      modify the default settings for the display of player data. Sites who
      are working with us have agreed that profitability data will only be
      available on players who have themselves specifically opted in, thus
      giving their consent for their profitability data to be displayed on
      that service. The default setting will be that tournament cashes only
      will be displayed.

      The sites who intend to comply with our data policy also agree to allow
      players to opt out totally from their service, so that zero information
      will be displayed about them.

      Among the sites that have agreed to comply and that will remain
      permitted are:


      Note that these sites might not necessarily be able to show all the
      information they currently display, once opt-in is fully functional.

      SharkScope has refused to remove player profitability and ROI data by
      default and therefore their service now falls into the category of
      prohibited for use in conjunction with the PokerStars Client.
      SharkScope will remain a prohibited service, for the reasons listed
      above. We ask that players do not use it at all in conjunction with
      PokerStars - the website, the HUD, or any other future tools that they
      might develop.

      You may still check your own stats provided the PokerStars client is not

      PokerStars will focus its enforcement efforts predominantly on limiting
      the effectiveness of SharkScope and other dataminers by preventing their
      ability to extract the data from the PokerStars client without either
      the permission of PokerStars, or the players concerned.

      We will not be closing accounts of players found to be using SharkScope.
      Instead, we will be working hard to ensure that the data gathered by
      SharkScope is incomplete and unreliable. We will, however, be warning
      players who "shout out" statistics in chat, under our "abuse of other
      players" chat rules. To report such instances, please call a Chat
      Moderator using the tools built into the PokerStars client.

      We believe that this policy will deliver on our commitment to listening
      to players who have overwhelmingly asked us to prevent SharkScope from
      publishing their private information, while not being heavy handed
      against the many players who aren't aware of the rules against
      SharkScope, or who are concerned about their browsing privacy.

      As always, we welcome feedback on this policy, so please email us
      anytime at support@pokerstars.com. We will work hard to deliver the best
      possible poker games, with the highest standards of integrity now and
      into the future.


      PokerStars Support Team
  • 5 replies
    • LuborC
      Joined: 20.04.2008 Posts: 1,243
      This is really interesting! So everybody can use sharkscope without any fear for now..
    • deVall3y
      Joined: 06.01.2009 Posts: 554
      why if so, they suggest that you will only check your own stats and while the client is not running?
      You may still check your own stats provided the PokerStars client is not
    • rex99
      Joined: 20.11.2008 Posts: 4,856
      Originally posted by LuborC
      This is really interesting! So everybody can use sharkscope without any fear for now..
      misread i think...
    • ManniXXX
      Joined: 05.09.2007 Posts: 707
      Originally posted by rex99
      Originally posted by LuborC
      This is really interesting! So everybody can use sharkscope without any fear for now..
      misread i think...
      Nope. It has been a grey area for a long time but this would seem to suggest that as long as you don;t type something like "Yeah well your ROI is -25%, Fish!" in the chat, then you're likely to be ok using it.

      Point is that stars long time goal is to stop these sites being functional, effectively making the only relevant stats outdated, which obviously at the moment isn't the case but probably will be at some point in the future.

      It's already q annoying how much OPR has been nerfed already so I'm not personally not looking forward to the changes stars have planned.
    • Heffron89
      Joined: 23.01.2009 Posts: 813
      I've used Sharkscope all the time and nothing have happened.