According to poker-edge I'm not a shark..

    • SheepMoose
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      They say I'm a bomb? Semi-loose/aggressive/aggressive.

      The reason I'm not listed as a shark is because I lack discipline.
      So what is this discipline? Is it waiting until the river before going all in with a set?

      That's what I'm stuck at. I only bet against 2+ more opponents if I have good cards. So what do I need to work on for my discipline?

      This is also something that sparks more questions. Pro's like Gus hansen are considered sharks in live play, but online they just seem like maniacs with no discipline at all. Why is there a splitting edge between the strategy of live play vs. online play?
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    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

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      Regards,

      Primzi
    • SheepMoose
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      Originally posted by Primzi
      Hello!

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      Regards,

      Primzi
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      I just wanted to know what this poker discipline was?
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

      According to poker-edge I'm not a shark..


      As much as I'm trying to understand your post, I kind of fail at understanding it :( . First of all, your title... What is poker-edge? I googled it a bit and it seemed something like HEM, but is it even a permitted software to use? Now the second part of the title, you think you should be a shark with only knowing basic strategies? Sharks are people who play poker for a long time and have very good poker knowledge :) .

      They say I'm a bomb? Semi-loose/aggressive/aggressive.


      Now the bomb sentence doesn't make much sense to me either. What the hell is that? I could interprete it as a maniac, I don't know what agressive/agressive means though. Preflop/postflop agressive? Well If you're playing loose agressive (and are therefore a LAG/maniac) then you might not be sticking to the starting hand charts. I suggest you do that :) . There is nothing wrong with being agressive postflop though. Again, stick to the articles strategy :) .

      The reason I'm not listed as a shark is because I lack discipline.
      So what is this discipline? Is it waiting until the river before going all in with a set?


      Who says that you lack discipline? I'm not sure that your "leak is going all-in with a set too soon". Again, I advise you to stick with the article strategies about bet-sizing etc. and playing made hands postflop :) .

      That's what I'm stuck at. I only bet against 2+ more opponents if I have good cards. So what do I need to work on for my discipline?


      Again, I am not sure what is this discipline. Your leak seems to be playing too many hands preflop. This "discipline" thing could mean that you're spewing your chips around too much postflop without made hands :| ? It's a really awkward expression.

      This is also something that sparks more questions. Pro's like Gus hansen are considered sharks in live play, but online they just seem like maniacs with no discipline at all. Why is there a splitting edge between the strategy of live play vs. online play?


      Why do you care about poker pros? You should be trying to improve your game, not try to copy theirs. High stakes poker of course requires alot more of balancing lines and advanced strategies, it also means implementing pure bluffs in your game, but you should not do it. Not until you're playing high stakes ;) . I think the pros still play alright online (as they reach alot of final tables in main events of the tournaments), their edge on the other players is a bit smaller here because they can't use movement reads etc. but have to observe oponnents' moves or rely on the stats whilst multi-tabling. Some online players have more experience with stats and therefore might have an edge on the poker pros playing online.

      Live and online play isn't all that different. On non-high stakes, you could easily go to a casino, play according to the pokerstrategy strategies and do well ---> make profit. You'd just have to observe more instead of relying on stats and you should make notes in your head. Later on, when you're more experienced, you could start movement reading as well :) .

      I hope this answers your whole post, as for my previous post, I've had to have some fun. I mean for a poorly written topic you can only expect a poorely written reply, right?

      Regards,

      Primzi
    • SheepMoose
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      Originally posted by Primzi
      Hello!

      According to poker-edge I'm not a shark..


      As much as I'm trying to understand your post, I kind of fail at understanding it :( . First of all, your title... What is poker-edge? I googled it a bit and it seemed something like HEM, but is it even a permitted software to use? Now the second part of the title, you think you should be a shark with only knowing basic strategies? Sharks are people who play poker for a long time and have very good poker knowledge :) .

      They say I'm a bomb? Semi-loose/aggressive/aggressive.


      Now the bomb sentence doesn't make much sense to me either. What the hell is that? I could interprete it as a maniac, I don't know what agressive/agressive means though. Preflop/postflop agressive? Well If you're playing loose agressive (and are therefore a LAG/maniac) then you might not be sticking to the starting hand charts. I suggest you do that :) . There is nothing wrong with being agressive postflop though. Again, stick to the articles strategy :) .

      The reason I'm not listed as a shark is because I lack discipline.
      So what is this discipline? Is it waiting until the river before going all in with a set?


      Who says that you lack discipline? I'm not sure that your "leak is going all-in with a set too soon". Again, I advise you to stick with the article strategies about bet-sizing etc. and playing made hands postflop :) .

      That's what I'm stuck at. I only bet against 2+ more opponents if I have good cards. So what do I need to work on for my discipline?


      Again, I am not sure what is this discipline. Your leak seems to be playing too many hands preflop. This "discipline" thing could mean that you're spewing your chips around too much postflop without made hands :| ? It's a really awkward expression.

      This is also something that sparks more questions. Pro's like Gus hansen are considered sharks in live play, but online they just seem like maniacs with no discipline at all. Why is there a splitting edge between the strategy of live play vs. online play?


      Why do you care about poker pros? You should be trying to improve your game, not try to copy theirs. High stakes poker of course requires alot more of balancing lines and advanced strategies, it also means implementing pure bluffs in your game, but you should not do it. Not until you're playing high stakes ;) . I think the pros still play alright online (as they reach alot of final tables in main events of the tournaments), their edge on the other players is a bit smaller here because they can't use movement reads etc. but have to observe oponnents' moves or rely on the stats whilst multi-tabling. Some online players have more experience with stats and therefore might have an edge on the poker pros playing online.

      Live and online play isn't all that different. On non-high stakes, you could easily go to a casino, play according to the pokerstrategy strategies and do well ---> make profit. You'd just have to observe more instead of relying on stats and you should make notes in your head. Later on, when you're more experienced, you could start movement reading as well :) .

      I hope this answers your whole post, as for my previous post, I've had to have some fun. I mean for a poorly written topic you can only expect a poorely written reply, right?

      Regards,

      Primzi

      Poker-edge is like HEM except it has a database of all players, instead of just the players you play against. I use it to track my stats sometimes.
      a Bomb is like a maniac, but not as loose. and by aggressive/aggressive I did mean pre-flop/post-flop.

      I don't really know what the discipline thing is also, but according to poker-edge..

      "Your biggest weakness is you sometimes lack discipline. Your aggression is unwarranted sometimes. People slowplay or check-raise you because they know you will bet.

      Best Advice: Work on your discipline, and you will be a shark."

      And I kinda see what you mean by the Pro's. Thanks for the reply! and yes, sorry for the poorly written topic.
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

      Please check at the poker site you're playing at if the poker-edge is a legal program to use.

      Well if people should easily check/raise you that means you're too agressive and raising too many non-made hands/bluffing too much I guess. I personally think that what the program tells you is bullshit to be honest :P .

      I think the best would be to just post your stats and the limit/game you play on here, also post your hands in the hand evaluation section and we'll help you fill your leaks, not a program who doesn't really give you any accurate information ;) .

      Regards,

      Primzi
    • SheepMoose
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      Originally posted by Primzi
      Hello!

      Please check at the poker site you're playing at if the poker-edge is a legal program to use.

      Well if people should easily check/raise you that means you're too agressive and raising too many non-made hands/bluffing too much I guess. I personally think that what the program tells you is bullshit to be honest :P .

      I think the best would be to just post your stats and the limit/game you play on here, also post your hands in the hand evaluation section and we'll help you fill your leaks, not a program who doesn't really give you any accurate information ;) .

      Regards,

      Primzi
      Thanks for the advice Primzi!
    • SalamiandCheese
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      I signed up for a free trial of poker-edge a while ago. The thing about the shark, rock, etc. categories is that it really depends on whether it's full ring, 6max, or limit. The standard categories are set up for full ring limit if I remember correctly. Play around and make your own categories. Hmmmm, maybe I'll get around to doing this with PT3.... :f_biggrin:
    • SheepMoose
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      Originally posted by SalamiandCheese
      I signed up for a free trial of poker-edge a while ago. The thing about the shark, rock, etc. categories is that it really depends on whether it's full ring, 6max, or limit. The standard categories are set up for full ring limit if I remember correctly. Play around and make your own categories. Hmmmm, maybe I'll get around to doing this with PT3.... :f_biggrin:
      I mainly play full ring but lately I have tried 6max. You don't happen to know what this discipline poker-edge speaks of do you?
    • miskokvo
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      lol guys ... it is banned softvare IMO ... you have stats on players with you never played before ... it is breaking fulltilt,pokerstars rules...
    • tokyoaces
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      Originally posted by SheepMoose
      You don't happen to know what this discipline poker-edge speaks of do you?
      I think the guy you are looking for lives in a swamp in Degobah.

      Like everyone else has already said: I wouldn't trust advice from a site that is basically set up to scam fish.
    • NightFrostaSS
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      Meh, that thingy is forbidden by pokerstars and ftp, don't know about other sites, so if you'll use it to your advantage you'll get your account banned. Also the clasification of players isn't acurate. I know some very good players, and by that i mean much better than me, who are considered bombs. In my opinion it's because the higher you go, the more aggressive people get and they were not that aggressive back in days when poker edge was created so the clasification is out of date.
    • luitzen
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      Discipline means that you stick to the SHC and that you play tighter pre flop. If you do that you'll get tight aggressive stats instead of loose aggressive. If you play tight aggressive every poker tool will award you with a shark icon. I'm confident that playing too tight in SnGs isn't smart to do as you will need a lot of strong hands and I believe that more experienced players are much looser, but for beginners it's not advisable to do that.

      Discipline means that you don't play too much hands. Playing too much hands is the biggest danger in poker as it gets you involved in a lot of pots you don't want to be involved with.
    • p0kerQT
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      I don't think discipline means just sticking to the SHC's coz according to poker-edge im a bomb and tight-aggressive-aggressive on fulltilt. I think you need to be tight-aggressive-aggressive and have good showdown winnings to become a shark.

      *edit* I just checked my stars one and I'm a shark :s_biggrin:

      Regards,
      Sarah
    • suvalgysiu
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      Originally posted by SheepMoose
      According to poker-edge I'm not a shark..
      lol

      Poker-edge is worthless
      Being a shark on poker-edge is worthless

      I hope that clears things up.
    • luitzen
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      I assumed that sticking to the SHC means that you're tight aggressive, but I could be wrong as I don't play much SnGs and when I do I play with play money.

      Most tools give you a shark icon if you play tight aggressive in NL, irrespective of showdown winnings. For SnGs it may be different, I don't know, but that's why I assumed it.

      Discipline means not playing too much weak and losing hands.
    • Kruppe
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      bomb is the best style. phil ivey, durrr, antonius, etc. and me! ;)
    • SheepMoose
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      Originally posted by Kruppe
      bomb is the best style. phil ivey, durrr, antonius, etc. and me! ;)
      durrr is just a straight out maniac. :f_o:
      I think Dario Minieri is a maniac too online. He comes over the top of his opponents a lot after they raise, it works well too. Kinda like asking them "How much confidence do you have in your hand?"
    • Jaissica
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      Bomb :)
    • CoreySteel
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      LOL, I'm a bomb too and I lack of discipline to become shark :D
      Funny :)
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