[NL2-NL10] NL5 Sh KQ OESD + overcards push

    • rubysilesia
      Joined: 03.07.2007 Posts: 351
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      0,02/0,04 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: Texas Grabem 1.9 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K:spade: , Q:club:
      MP3 calls $0,04, CO calls $0,04, BU raises to $0,96 (All-In), Hero calls $0,94, BB folds, MP3 calls $0,92, CO folds.

      Flop: ($2,96) J:diamond: , T:spade: , 6:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $4,04 (All-In), MP3 calls $4,04.

      Turn: ($11,04) A:heart:
      River: ($11,04) 7:spade:

      Final Pot: $11,04

      Shortstack was pushing AI every hand. MP3 unknown. I thought I got 9-10 outs. I decided to push to maximize fold equity.
  • 3 replies
    • silent21
      Joined: 08.08.2008 Posts: 1,556
      with three players after you to act - fold preflop.

      as played - there is no point to overbet shove, just make 1/2 potbet. overbet shove is like screaming 'hey fold i dont want you in the hand"
    • rubysilesia
      Joined: 03.07.2007 Posts: 351
      I don't agree. Shortstack and 3 other players after me have a random hand. KQ against random has huge equity advantege:

      equity win tie pots won pots tied
      Hand 0: 28.638% 27.62% 01.17% 1058187 44711.83 { KQo }
      Hand 1: 17.813% 16.83% 01.08% 644784 41218.58 { random }
      Hand 2: 17.848% 16.86% 01.08% 646103 41245.42 { random }
      Hand 3: 17.873% 16.89% 01.07% 647191 41142.50 { random }
      Hand 4: 17.828% 16.84% 01.08% 645313 41273.67 { random }

      I would obviously fold to a raise.
    • Fongie
      Joined: 02.12.2006 Posts: 4,978
      Preflop is fine I think given the read.

      Flop is pretty bad though, open overbet-shoving is something you should never do. We can often count 14 outs here so it's no question of getting it in or not, the question is how. I think in this situation it is actually best to go for a c/r for a few reasons.
      - If we bet ourselves we're comitted to any turn, and if that turn doesn't help us then we're comitted with not that great equity - not a fun thing to be.
      - If we check, and he checks behind, we get to see a freecard which is not so bad! because we're afterall on a draw here.
      - The pot is large enough for us to get it all in on 2 streets if we hit on the turn if the flop checks through
      - The c/r gives us maximum fold equity obviously, even though there shouldn't be much in this hand - it is also the only way of getting it in here right on the flop without villain raising us (if we bet ourselves)