When Life Gives You Lemons....

    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      About Myself

      My name is Verre and a lot of you have seen me around the forums for the last few months. I live in the city of Surrey in the Province of BC, Canada. I’m 23 years old and work as a salesman, as well as private investing. There is obviously more to me but we can get into that at a later time if necessary.

      Poker Career

      Up until this point I would not call it a career. I would say I dabbled in all different kinds of poker to see what was what. It started long before I joined pokerstrategy.com.

      In June 2005 I was an up and coming mechanic working towards my full ticket. I had previously received a scholarship for mechanics and it felt good to make great money at the age of 19. On my way home one day I was hit by a minivan on my drivers door while going through a green light and my life basically changed forever.

      Over the next 3 years I went through ups and downs in recovery and during that time I couldn’t do much for work. I occupied my time with Xbox, Broodwar, Warcraft 3, World of Warcraft, and Final Fantasy XI. Over this time I frequently thought that if I could just get paid for playing these games, I would not have to worry about what I was going to do for the rest of my life. It was early 2008 when I saw my brother playing online poker.

      At that time I couldn’t believe someone could blow $50 dollars as fast as my brother did. With money being so tight for me at the time I just couldn’t see myself doing that. After a few days of watching some games and learning basic strategy, I found myself depositing.

      I rarely played until I went to an investment conference in Los Angeles. My friend wanted to go play poker at the casino and I accepted his invite. We head to the 1 / 2 tables and he specifically requests to sit to my left. At the time I didn’t realize what the consequences where but after 3 or 4 re raises by him I figured out why he requested the seat. After busting once I realized that the players I was with had very bad tells. There was 2 women at the table that wouldn’t play anything unless it was KK or AA. The rest where very aggressive. A regular winning hand consisted of a low to mid pair with 2 or 3 overcards on the board. I decided to rebuy and by the end of the night I had quadrupled my money and had felted 3 players (one of them being my friend who after busting went on to blow another 600 bucks on Blackjack). My first casino experience was a positive, and later I found out that this “Commerce Casino” happened to be one of the biggest and most renowned casinos in the world.

      Ever since I’ve always had great success at live poker, with borderline success as an online player. After much thought it seems this may be do to the overall availability of every kind of game. In the past I have jumped around too much. In fact I believe I still do it to this day, and this is where this challenge starts.

      The Epiphany

      I believe I am a very good poker player, in fact I feel I could be great if I just treat this as a business instead of a hobby. Last weekend my girlfriends desktop, which I played all my poker on blew up. I lost all my hand histories and records. This pushed me to buy a new laptop and Pokertracker.

      Also on the weekend my friend Mike who is not a poker player, pointed out to me that every time he saw me playing I was playing a different variant of poker. Sometimes its FR, sometimes its SH, sometimes FL, Tournaments, SnGs…. It never stops. I took his accidental advice to heart.

      So I started thinking about my poker business. If I was a poker employee would I hire myself as a poker manager? With all the jumping around to different platforms, the answer was an easy no. What kind of business would sell rain coats one day and then switch to making microwaves the next? I thought about it the other way around, if I was a poker manager would I want to hire myself as a player? That answer is a bit harder to answer. I realized the answer would be yes, with some exceptions. If it was NL FR BSS then yes. If it was tournament play then yes. If it was FL, then no. Sngs, no.

      I realized these two occupations had to come together to give me the best chance at being a winner.

      The last reason was two fold. I had someone contact me about a possible online sponsorship. All I needed to do was rack up 50k hands of NL and send them my graph. If they liked what they saw they would sponsor me, paying for all my buy ins and split winnings 50/50. After some thought I decided against it, as I would not be able to stay with pokerstrategy.com and right now with my job I don’t have time to ensure I play 80 hours a week. The day after this happens I notice that pokerstrategy.com has mobilized a team of players going to the WSOP. It gave me the motivation I needed to finally concentrate on my poker future.

      The Challenge

      The challenge is a simple one. I will play 50,000 hands at NL 20 FR BSS. I will not stray into any other cash game areas. The idea is to not concentrate on any bonuses I can unlock, but only to concentrate on win rate. Along side the CG I will be playing at least one small stakes tournament a week. Tournaments and NL FR are where I have had the most success and feel I have the biggest edge. You can check my small winnings by checking my Poker Stars screen name, Verre86.

      The Rules

      Play 50,000 hands of NL20 FR BSS Only Before August 31/2009.
      Play at least one tournament a week.

      My Goals

      2BB/100 Hands 50,000 Hands
      Play 50,000 hands without jumping to another poker variant
      Maintain Pro level at Mansion
      Study
      Limit Tilt
      Have a Positive Win rate in tournament play

      More on Blog Name Change Below
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    • opal99
      opal99
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,270
      Originally posted by Verre
      My Goals

      2BB/100 Hands 50,000 Hands
      only 2BB? Isn't it a bit low?
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Originally posted by opal99
      Originally posted by Verre
      My Goals

      2BB/100 Hands 50,000 Hands
      only 2BB? Isn't it a bit low?
      It is low. I struggled with this part of the challenge the most, as I really wanted to put 4 BBs. There was two reasons I didn't. The first is that I am well aware of the possibility of a solid downswing during the 50k hands which could significantly hinder my progress.

      The other reason was because of something Barry Greenstein said, unfortunately I cannot remember where I got the exact quote. He said something to the effect of "No matter what level a player is playing at, if he is making 2BB/100 hands over a decent sample size then he is good enough to be considered a good player at that level".

      Ideally I'm aiming for 4BBs/100. In fact I was running over that before my computer went busto. We will have to see how things go.

      Ps. Sweet blackmember slider.
    • opal99
      opal99
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      Joined: 05.02.2008 Posts: 8,270
      I think Barry meant FL not NL and it was said in Ace on the river imo..

      I'm NL n00b but according to what better players told me, 7BB (ptBB ofc) is achievable on NL100 SH and lower, so maybe I just missed something ;)

      Anyway, setting winrate challenges is not good idea in general...
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      I'm a very goal orientated person. If I put "Play good poker" chances are I wont. I need to keep the big picture in view.

      I specifically avoided making actual dollar figures in the challenge because the money always plays on peoples emotions.

      Also your right about the SH 7BB/100. Generally I think its 4 for FR though? And for me I just want a winrate that is tracked :tongue: . I dont want to put myself in a challenge (which is just with myself, not anyone else) that I dont think I have a good chance of completing.

      If i do complete I will move on to another challenge. Kind of Quarterly type things just like a business runs.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      i think he meant FL with the 2BB/100.
    • dadude77
      dadude77
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      Joined: 26.10.2008 Posts: 1,516
      Very nice looking opening post! I will be a regular reader :) .

      I know what you mean about not sticking with one thing. I've been on SnG's, MT sngs, BSS FR, BSS SH, SSS FR, SSS SH, omaha, razz. And I finally made the dedication to stick to one thing and see what happened as well :) . Good luck in your personal challenge!
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      March 26

      Today was the first day of the challenge and my goodness did it start bad. After sitting down at the table my girlfriend gave me a call after she finished work and then her phone cut out. I never recieved a call back and an hour after she was late I was on tilt. I had to stop my session and go find her.

      It turns out she was ok but i was down 80 or so BBs. There goes one of my goals for today. It wasn't too bad as I lost most of my chips with TT and 99. Both times I preflop raised, both times I c-bet with 3 lower cards on the board, and both times I was reraised all in by half stacks. The first time i folded, second time I lost to QQ.

      When I got back I got down to business, quickly making back my 80 bbs and going up to about +160 BBs. I then lost twice for almost full stacks. Once was KK all in preflop for $20 against AQ. Of course with a 7% shot at a loss the Ace fell on the river. The second hand I had AK on the button and I reraised a guy who 3xBB raised from UTG1. He called and the flop came AT6 rainbow. He c-bet 2/3 so it was about 3.50. I three bet him I believe to 10.50 and he continued to push over the top for another $6.00 or so. I called and he held ATo. Who calls a 3 bet out of position with ATo?

      Anyways so now I'm negative 25BBs again coming to the end of my day when I double up with trips pushing me back up to plus 75BBS for the day.

      Nearing the end of the day I get dealt JT in the BB and call a preflop raise by a player who is 75/50 over 170 hands. Flop comes T82 2 clubs. He raises pot and I 3 bet him. He delays and then calls. A non club Jack comes and he checks to me. I specifically overbet the pot by about 1.3x the pot. Once again he calls and the last card is a 5 of clubs. He bets all in for something stupid like 2 bucks and I call. He held Kc6c that whole time. He then proceeds to say "You should have bet 3 times the pot on the turn and I would have folded". I figured this was a good time to end my night to prevent mad tilt.

      I have graphs that I will insert once I figure out how to post them. Also does anyone have any good ways to post hands from Pokertracker? I could use some help. Private message me if its detailed.

      Goals
      1.59 BBs/2BB/100 Hands 50,000 Hands
      907/Play 50,000 hands without jumping to another poker variant
      Maintained/Maintain Pro level at Mansion
      Done/Study
      C- Ranking/Limit Tilt
      None Yet/Have a Positive Win rate in tournament play
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      May 27

      Today has just started and I'm ending my session after 186 hands.

      The day started off with me hitting a set with 88 after calling a deepstacks oversized preflop raise. I sat on the button and he bet into my trips for a full pot size on a Q84 board. I reraised and he pushed with his set of Qs.

      A set of fours was soon after beat by a set of 9s on the river for another stack.

      Somewhere in there I stacked a guy with my overpair Kings yet I managed to finish the day having my nut A high straight cracked by a full house 5s and 7s with a 7 dropping on the river.

      It was all good, it wasn't my play. Then I stacked of with a $7 dollar stack with 8s and lost to Aces. Tilt. Day over. Going to catch my breath. I know in my head set over set is just bad luck, but it still effects my mental self and at least I almost knew when to walk away.

      Daily Results -$35.51
    • dadude77
      dadude77
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      Joined: 26.10.2008 Posts: 1,516
      not hard to post from pokertracker. When you click on a hand, it opens into a new window and theres 2 tabs. One is just the raw history. So you can use that at flopturnriver they have a converter. Thats what I always did :D
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Hi Verre, nice to see you at the tables the other day.

      Seems like you have tilt problems while on a downswing.

      I prefer to have a good read on villains before I start going broke with 2nd pair like the ATo hand. You must adapt your play to the bad players, they can be equally as dangerous as the good ones! I find against unknowns, a straightforward approach works better.

      I know you will dig yourself out of this hole very soon, GL!
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Hey Brood,

      I had a decent history on him. He was the one with ATo and with 173 hands he was 11/8. Not exactly the type to call a PF reraise 3 bet with that kind of hand.

      As for today, it turned around a bit. I decided to play a $5.50 tournament with 621 players. I tend to do good in these tournaments and i placed 23 for $13.98. Not exactly what I was hoping but finished good in the end.

      Will get back to proper grinding tomorrow.
    • andyb43
      andyb43
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      Joined: 23.07.2008 Posts: 903
      Shame we won't get to play each other.........due to time zone differences.

      I'll be watching your 50k quest with interest :f_cool:

      4bb/100 is a good rate to acheive in the long run
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      Originally posted by andyb43
      Shame we won't get to play each other.........due to time zone differences.

      I'll be watching your 50k quest with interest :f_cool:

      4bb/100 is a good rate to acheive in the long run
      I just read Roswell's blog, he is making 41BB/100 at SH NL20 apparently :f_o:
    • andyb43
      andyb43
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      Joined: 23.07.2008 Posts: 903
      I think win rates can be misleading.........time and total hands should be used.

      but if Roswell is making $8.2/100 hands over all NL20 played......wow

      Since I stepped back to NL10 from NL20 my win rate has been far higher than before I stepped up. 27BB/100 for the last 1800 hands. My lifetime average though is only 7 BB/100 at NL10 for 32000 hands.
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      I think one of the things I need to do is open up 6 tables instead of just 4. I'm not getting enough volume at the after a bad beat and it gives me too much time to think about it.

      Another intresting not is that I'm running some $22 under all in EV. Thats a bit of a shame after only 1100 hands.

      @dadude. Flopturnriver has a converter that I have tried. It gives the option to convert the data to many different types through the use of a dropdown menu. Which option do you use? All of the options I tried seem to post the hands without any indicators of what suit the card is. Also is there is no way to have villians stats posted from Pokertracker?

      I would like to start posting hands again in here and in the hand evaluation area and I am looking for the most effective way to do that.
    • andyb43
      andyb43
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      Joined: 23.07.2008 Posts: 903
      Originally posted by Verre

      I would like to start posting hands again in here and in the hand evaluation area and I am looking for the most effective way to do that.
      I use Elephant for this
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Hey Everyone,

      Sorry for the lack of update today. I actually didn't play any online poker as my friend phoned me on my way home from work to tell me there was a 60 buy in tourny at our local casino.

      I got there and managed to get the last spot out of 60. Total Prizepool was 3600 with 6 players paid. Usually I hate these tournaments as they have 1500 starting chips with a rather aggressive blind structure but this time they had a 3000 chip start which allowed me to pick my spots a bit better.

      I layed low for the first 25 minutes. I woke up with AA preflop near the end of the second blind level and a shortish stack pushed into me preflop. He flipped over KK and my hand held. For the next 2 levels until break I was extremely card dead, unable to even take down blinds.

      After the first break there was 38 players left. Nothing exciting happened from here on to the final table except I knocked another player out with a set, I dont remember his exact hand because when he saw mine he threw his cards, got up and left.

      The final table was rather eventful around me. I was once again card dead but chips where being shipped all over the place. My friend was still int he tournament and had knocked one of the players out at the final table with Queens preflop against Tens which held.

      At this point I started stealing blinds which at this point where a nice size, and I only had a stack of about 10,500. By the time it got to the money I had about 13,000 chips with no real opposition.

      It seemed the player two to my left (the guy between us had not been knocked out) was getting annoyed with my blind stealing. He made a comment that I didn't catch but my friend later said "If you going to take my blinds again your not going to like my reaction". Even without hearing this I could tell he was unhappy.

      The next cycle there was 5 of us left and I woke up with AKs on the button. I made my typical 3 bb steal raise and sb folds. BB thinks for a minute, looks at me and says "your trying to steal again." He pushes over the top for about 12,500 chips. I think for a moment and decide to call because of his angry reaction. He flips over KQ and he is dominated. But wait, a Q on the flop....... A King on the turn..... Ace on the river. We are down to 4 players and I'm second.

      At this point my friend is knocked out all in preflop. He had Aces and other guy had 9s, but a 9 on the flop ended his day. After this blind stealing commenced for about 15 minutes with no real action.

      The other two guys got it in on the flop about 20 minutes into 3 way action, the small stack held a small straight, while the big stack held trips. The river paired the board and it was now heads up.

      Over the course of the next few minutes I proceeded to steal a lot and win alot of smaller pots with my over aggressive heads up play. I basically evened up the chip stacks after being a 3/1 underdog without ever seeing a showdown.

      The final hand I was BB, villain just calls and I wake up with 99. I raise 4x BB and villain calls. Flop comes 29T rainbow and I make a 3x BB raise. Villain min raises my raise and I push all in over the top. Villain smiles for a second and laughs, "I trapped you, your too over aggressive" and he pushes all his chips in and flips over AA. I tell the dealer to run out the board before I show as villain is high fiving his friends about his unbelievable play. My friend just stood beside me smiling. He seemed to know I wasn't going all in with something better than an overpair. The board runs out two blanks and I flip over my set. The guy looked like he was going to puke, maybe from his loss, maybe because he realized he just made himself look like a complete fool.

      Anyways I took home $1750 and have decided to take my girlfriend up to a resort a few hours from my house this weekend. That being said there wont be any updates until monday or tuesday next week. Hope you guys have a good weekend.
    • TheBrood
      TheBrood
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      Joined: 17.07.2008 Posts: 4,383
      hehe Nice read and you've earned yourself a pat on the back for your first place.

      Poor guy high-fiving with AA lmao

      PS: (can you spare 5 bucks?)
    • Verre
      Verre
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      Joined: 24.02.2009 Posts: 708
      Haha, more like my girlfriend earned herself a nice weekend away because I play too much poker.

      As for the 5 bucks, I can. You just need to fly up to Canada to get it :s_biggrin:

      Its crap like this tournament and the online tourny i placed 23rd in the other night that make me think my real skill is there and that I'm just to full of pride to realize that grinding CG is not my forte. This thought makes me sad/motivated to do this challenge even more.

      Like I said previously. I have never had a significant problem making money in tournaments, but it has been a challenge to make consistant money in CG. When I get back I will have to get down to business. I'm going to 6 table again to keep my emotions and mind off previous beats.
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