[NL2-NL10] Raising more OOP

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,837
      Sorry; no example hand to go with this query.

      In many of the ps videos, the commentator talks about raising more when he is out of position.

      e.g. Hero in BB with A,Qo; two limpers and Hero raises more than 6BB.

      please can someone explain:

      1. what is the theory behind raising more when you are OOP?
      2. if this is covered in a PS article, and if so, where?
      3. how much extra you should raise; and
      4. if it always applies or if there are any exceptions?

      TIA,

      Tim
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    • ShinShya
      ShinShya
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.04.2009 Posts: 90
      Originally posted by Tim64
      Sorry; no example hand to go with this query.

      In many of the ps videos, the commentator talks about raising more when he is out of position.

      e.g. Hero in BB with A,Qo; two limpers and Hero raises more than 6BB.

      please can someone explain:

      1. what is the theory behind raising more when you are OOP?
      2. if this is covered in a PS article, and if so, where?
      3. how much extra you should raise; and
      4. if it always applies or if there are any exceptions?

      TIA,

      Tim
      1. You are oop, which is a disadvantage, so you raise this to compensate.
      2. I don't remember reading about it, but I've seen it a lot in videos
      3. You should raise one extra BB
      4. Its a general rule, I'm sure there may be some exceptions I don't know any though.
    • Padde
      Padde
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.05.2006 Posts: 1,060
      i'm not a fan of raising too much out of position.

      e.g.
      your raise gets called.
      you hit nothing & make your cbet
      if you blow up the pot preflop, your cbet has to be bigger -> you are comitted if your cbet gets raised.


      other possibility:
      - you raise preflop in that way, that your stacksize is equal to the pot on the flop.
      so you can push directly as a cbet
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey Tim64,

      1. Playing OOP is quite a big disadvantage, so you want to make call expensive for your opponents. Another reason why one should raise bigger is for practical reason only, for example you have 20BB stack and there are 2 limpers, you can raise 7BB instead of 6BB so you have less than pot size on the flop instead of more than potsize, which makes your push as c-bet much easier.

      2. Not that I would know of.

      3. In the videos players always add only 1BB, I think that's most you can add, because if you're going to add more it's better to just push directly.

      4. It's no rule at all and you don't have to use it if you don't like it. A good rule is to push when there are 3+ limpers and to push with 15-16 big blind stack if there are 2 limpers. If you have 2 limpers and 20BB stack then I like to add 1BB for reasons mentioned under 1. And with 1 limper the pot is just right to play 5BB preflop and normal bet/fold on the flop, so I just stick to basic strategy here.

      This adding of 1 extra BB is just a way to play OOP which is hard, but it's best to find a way that suits you best by yourself. I hope this post was helpful.

      If there's anything else you'd like to ask go ahead. :)

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,837
      Really helpful - thanks all!

      Tim