[NL2-NL10] NL25 FR - A,Ko - overcards and gutshot on flop - 2 opponents

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $11.67
      UTG1:
      $33.69
      Hero:
      $4.65

      0.1/0.25 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:heart: , K:diamond:
      UTG1 calls $0.25, 5 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, BB folds, UTG1 calls $1.00.

      Flop: ($4.00) 2:diamond: , Q:spade: , T:spade: (3 players)
      SB checks, UTG1 checks, Hero raises $3.40 (All-In), SB calls $3.40, UTG1 folds.

      Turn: ($10.80) 7:diamond:
      River: ($10.80) T:heart: (2 players)


      Final Pot: $10.80

      Yes, push or no, push?
  • 8 replies
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      I fold here, Tim. Your 10 outs are not even clean, and it's a 3way pot, you are probably behind.
    • MancaMulas
      MancaMulas
      Bronze
      Joined: 12.03.2009 Posts: 4,491
      3 aces and 3 kings for top pair, and 4 jacks for a straight! i would push!
    • ShinShya
      ShinShya
      Bronze
      Joined: 20.04.2009 Posts: 90
      Originally posted by MancaMulas
      3 aces and 3 kings for top pair, and 4 jacks for a straight! i would push!
      It would be two A's,two K's, and three J's for clean outs. The A and K of spades is not a clean out, neither is the J of spades. Also your K's may not be clean outs either. Its a draw heavy board against two opponents, one is 44 VPIP and the other is 29 VPIP, they are not going anywhere, so you don't even have much fold equity.
    • michaelqian
      michaelqian
      Bronze
      Joined: 02.05.2009 Posts: 512
      I would fold. After the flop, I would only consider my outs to be Js, which will make my hand almost guaranteed to win. It's very unlikely that you'll hit a set.

      The board also presents a danger of flush, so I would be even more careful here.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      nice hand you will have some outs when you get called sometimes you are ahead against draws and sometimes you win the pot directly.
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Originally posted by ysessa
      nice hand you will have some outs when you get called sometimes you are ahead against draws and sometimes you win the pot directly.
      Hey there,

      I didn't quite understand why you like the push here. Does he have enough outs and FE for a push? I mean, he's barely got his 10 outs, and in a 3way pot with loose fish how much fold equity could he have?
      He gets about 2,1:1 odds, but I find he'd have less than 30% chance of winning here. Could you explain a little further? thanks =D
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      I think Ysessa argues that the parameter FE plays an important role here. Sure any Flushdraw will call but as long as they don't have a pair, you are ahead.

      If someone has a pair, you got like 7 outs then which is around 27.7% equity.

      - Gerv
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Ok, thanks Gerv!