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[NL2-NL10] NL10 FR, 65s, min-3bet behind

    • Yuris125
      Yuris125
      Silver
      Joined: 16.03.2009 Posts: 372
      Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

      $0.05/$0.1 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)

      Known players:
      UTG2:
      $8.82
      MP1:
      $1.85
      MP2(Hero):
      $20.10
      MP3:
      $4.98
      CO:
      $2.32
      BU:
      $6.95
      SB:
      $1.90
      BB:
      $6.46
      UTG:
      $4.00
      UTG1:
      $0.72

      Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF/Hands)
      SB - 2/2/0.0/47

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 5, 6.
      4 folds, Hero raises to $0.4, 3 folds, SB raises to $0.7, BB folds, Hero calls $0.30.

      Flop: ($1.50) 7, 8, 2 (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $1.20, SB calls $1.20.

      Turn: ($3.90) 3 (2 players)

      River: ($3.90) Q (2 players)

      Final Pot: $3.90.

      Hi,
      Can we play suited connectors from middle position occasionally, or is it a mistake? I usually don't do it, but wasn't getting cards for some time, so decided to play
      What to do after SB min-3bets me? He is very tight, and the size of his 3bet just screams "I've got AA!!!!" :) However, I seem to be getting the odds to call, do I?
      On this flop I'm putting him all-in, right?

      Thanks!
  • 6 replies
    • silent21
      silent21
      Global
      Joined: 08.08.2008 Posts: 1,556
      his stack is 19bb. u have like NO implied odds. even vs minraise i wont call it with suited connectors. if his stack was bigger - 100BB its ok call. as played nh.
    • Yuris125
      Yuris125
      Silver
      Joined: 16.03.2009 Posts: 372
      I have no implied odds indeed, but I need to call 0.30 into a 1.20 pot, that's 4:1, and 65s have 23% chance against AA. Obviously I don't put any more money in the pot unless I flop at least 2 pair or a good draw
    • maya1984
      maya1984
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2008 Posts: 1,741
      You will need good post-flop skills to play SC (suited connectors) so at the beginning I advice you to stick to the BSS starting hands table and just wait to better hands.

      Your equality is calculated over 5 community cards. He will shove an OP either on the flop or turn and by the turn you have less then 20% equality.

      As played: shipping the flop is the correct move.
    • Yuris125
      Yuris125
      Silver
      Joined: 16.03.2009 Posts: 372
      Maya, basically this means "don't call a min-3bet from this player unless you have KK+", am I right? :)
      If he has a high pp, as I suspect he does, 65s has much better chance to win than hands like JJ or AK
    • silent21
      silent21
      Global
      Joined: 08.08.2008 Posts: 1,556
      i am not sure how to make the exact calculation but i will try to explain why you statement about the equity is not correct. for example a shortstacker minraises you and you are sure he is holding AA. to beat his AA you need to flop 2 pairs, trips, flush, straight , fh and quads i wont mention

      the odds for flopping a

      2 pair - 49:1 - 48 times u will lose 30c, once you will win 2$
      trips - 73:1 - 72 times u will lose 30c, once you will win 2$
      flush - 118:1 - 117 times u will lose 30c, once you will win 2$
      straight - close to 73:1 (not really sure about this) - 72times you will lose 30c, once you will win 2$.

      i am not considering the times when he will hit set or flush or any other hand that totally dominates your.

      now do u realize how different is the equity on the flop
    • maya1984
      maya1984
      Bronze
      Joined: 18.12.2008 Posts: 1,741
      Originally posted by Yuris125
      Maya, basically this means "don't call a min-3bet from this player unless you have KK+", am I right? :)
      If he has a high pp, as I suspect he does, 65s has much better chance to win than hands like JJ or AK
      very low vpip, vpip/pfr ratio almost 1, 15-20BB all these facts to a SSS player. (the sample is too small so AF should be higher)
      You are dominated by his pf range and don't have the implied odds to call a 3bet.
      I just shove against a raise from SSS player with AK+/QQ+. worser hands - fold.
      (Pretty simple against those guys... :) )