Poker is a game of skill!

    • Joshquan
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      Does anyone know of any interesting articles about how poker is different from other gambling games such as blackjack roulette etc. and how it is a game of skill?

      Need some ammo for the reoccuring argument with the folks! :s_evil:
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    • Gafny
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      Originally posted by Joshquan
      Does anyone know of any interesting articles about how poker is different from other gambling games such as blackjack roulette etc. and how it is a game of skill?

      Need some ammo for the reoccuring argument with the folks! :s_evil:
      luck cant explain the familiar faces at final tables

      isnt that the tv add? :D
    • kingdippy2008
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      Just ask to play them HU and own them - then explain how its a game of skill ;)
    • viewer88
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      buy a gun and shoot everyone who ask you about it.. rly
    • ihufa
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      it is by far mostly about luck. I mean luck is like 99,99999% of each s&g or whatever u play. If u unlucky and skilled ur gonna lose everything, but if ur lucky and never played it before u'll still own anyone.

      It's all about luck. Fuck this game it's made to be so much about luck i don't understand why, but the best player in the world can play everyday for a year and keep losing money.

      It's a stupid stupid stupid game, and the only way u can make money from it is if ur lucky. U can't make money, not even in the long run, if ur unlucky.
    • chuongdk
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      and remember all sites are rigged, that's why we play
    • aceonetheriver
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      Call, Raise or Fold?!

      u have to decide, " Where there is judgment, there's room for error, and where there is a room for error, there is naturally a skill element" ! ( 1 )


      (1) From PokerMindset
    • pedromostarda
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      Every time a friend of mine says poker is luck, or that I'm worse then them (they're big big big fishes, they call ANY hand with ANY card, after ANY raise), I tell'em, let's go Heads-Up for cash.
      They change the topic of the conversation.
    • Kruppe
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      they're all played in casinos, so they must all be the same !?!?!?!?!
    • SheepMoose
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      The only time poker is gambling is when you go all in with AK vs. 22.

      Coin flips ftl.
    • Kruppe
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      Originally posted by SheepMoose
      The only time poker is gambling is when you go all in with AK vs. 22.

      Coin flips ftl.
      it's not gambling if you're doing it because you think it's +EV. it's gambling if you're doing it because you actually want to flip.
    • luitzen
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      If there's a lot of dead money it is definitely +EV the moment you call an all-in with 22 vs AK.
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Originally posted by ihufa
      it is by far mostly about luck. I mean luck is like 99,99999% of each s&g or whatever u play. If u unlucky and skilled ur gonna lose everything, but if ur lucky and never played it before u'll still own anyone.

      It's all about luck. Fuck this game it's made to be so much about luck i don't understand why, but the best player in the world can play everyday for a year and keep losing money.

      It's a stupid stupid stupid game, and the only way u can make money from it is if ur lucky. U can't make money, not even in the long run, if ur unlucky.
      luckbox :D
    • Gafny
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      Originally posted by aceonetheriver
      Call, Raise or Fold?!

      u have to decide, " Where there is judgment, there's room for error, and where there is a room for error, there is naturally a skill element" ! ( 1 )


      (1) From PokerMindset
      What is this "Fold" that you speak of?
    • TheBrood
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      Reasons why it can't be a game of luck:

      - If it were luck, we would all be good players, and there would be no pros.
      - Why are there so many poker schools? What do they teach? Luck?
      - Same as above but with books.
      - There are certain poker games that are luck based such as video poker, but you are not playing that version.
    • tokyoaces
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      Originally posted by TheBrood
      - Why are there so many poker schools? What do they teach? Luck?
      - Same as above but with books.
      There are books that "teach" you how to "beat" games like craps and roulette.

      Originally posted by TheBrood
      - There are certain poker games that are luck based such as video poker, but you are not playing that version.
      Interestingly enough video poker is on the list of beatable games. I believe the short list is blackjack, poker, sports betting, video poker, and progressive slots.

      Originally posted by Joshquan
      Does anyone know of any interesting articles about how poker is different from other gambling games such as blackjack roulette etc. and how it is a game of skill?
      Mason Malmuth covers this extensively in his book Gambling Theory and Other Topics.
    • Joshquan
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      Some people have made some wonderful and inovative points :\ But any ONLINE articles?
    • Kimber88
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      You can try here.
    • Joshquan
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      haha i like tht one kimber :tongue:
    • harleytopper
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      Online poker is game of skill, but game with friends is whole different story:

      We play home game around 3 years:
      It is always NL20 game.
      I remember ONE time I won 40$, 3 or 4 times break even. All the rest 30+ evenings arount one BI down.

      On other side one guy never read any poker article. Barely can conncet hole cards with board and find straight (i can bet he folded nuts on the table more than once), but he in some strange way wins money from me (and others).

      Noone can explain it....
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