Bwin and Holdem manager / custom stats inside/

    • darkonebg
      darkonebg
      Headadmin
      Headadmin
      Joined: 17.01.2008 Posts: 9,508
      Hello.
      I just happened to know some things the hard way, wrote them in my blog and received so many questions via PM, that I decided to write them here so everybody is informed.

      1.Your HEM/PT3/Elephant rake is calculated using the dealt method.
      2.Bwin(as does the whole ongame) uses the contributed method, which means you never paid the amount that your tracker displays, but something 10% to 30% lower.
      3.That dramatically changes the value of bonuses(they go way up) in terms of rakeback %.
      4.Holdem manager support is currently working on a way to calculate rake using the contributed system. In the meantime, you can ask bwin support for your true generated rake.

      If your HEM has problems importing hands from bwin, you have to setup a ramdrive.

      Finally, I have some customstats I was using. Basically, you can use them to see directly from HEM how many Player Points you have generated and how much of the bonus you have cleared ( depending if its 8x or 10x). Just add those lines in your Reports\Customstats.txt file and then add the colums in the reports tab.Usefull if you have set a daily goal in terms of clearing the bonus or making X strategy points.
      code:
      <Stat GroupName="Default" ColumnName="Ongame 8x" ValueExpressions="
      Sum((case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 10 and 19 then 0.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 20 and 29 then 0.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 30 and 39 then 0.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 40 and 49 then 0.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 50 and 59 then 0.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 60 and 69 then 0.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 70 and 79 then 0.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 80 and 89 then 0.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 90 and 99 then 0.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 100 and 109 then 1.0 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 110 and 119 then 1.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 120 and 129 then 1.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 130 and 139 then 1.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 140 and 149 then 1.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 150 and 159 then 1.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 160 and 169 then 1.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 170 and 179 then 1.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 180 and 189 then 1.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 190 and 199 then 1.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 200 and 209 then 2.0 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 210 and 219 then 2.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 220 and 229 then 2.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 230 and 239 then 2.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 240 and 249 then 2.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 250 and 259 then 2.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 260 and 269 then 2.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 270 and 279 then 2.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 280 and 289 then 2.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 290 and 299 then 2.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount >=300 then 3 else 0 end))/8.0 as Ongame8x" Evaluate="Ongame8x" ColumnHeader="Ongame\n8x Bonus" ColumnFormat="$0.00" ColumnWidth="*" Tooltip="Ongame 8x Bonus earned" />
      
      <Stat GroupName="Default" ColumnName="Ongame 10x" ValueExpressions="
      Sum((case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 10 and 19 then 0.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 20 and 29 then 0.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 30 and 39 then 0.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 40 and 49 then 0.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 50 and 59 then 0.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 60 and 69 then 0.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 70 and 79 then 0.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 80 and 89 then 0.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 90 and 99 then 0.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 100 and 109 then 1.0 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 110 and 119 then 1.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 120 and 129 then 1.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 130 and 139 then 1.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 140 and 149 then 1.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 150 and 159 then 1.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 160 and 169 then 1.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 170 and 179 then 1.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 180 and 189 then 1.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 190 and 199 then 1.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 200 and 209 then 2.0 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 210 and 219 then 2.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 220 and 229 then 2.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 230 and 239 then 2.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 240 and 249 then 2.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 250 and 259 then 2.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 260 and 269 then 2.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 270 and 279 then 2.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 280 and 289 then 2.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 290 and 299 then 2.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount >=300 then 3 else 0 end))/10.0 as Ongame10x" Evaluate="Ongame10x" ColumnHeader="Ongame\n10x Bonus" ColumnFormat="$0.00" ColumnWidth="*" Tooltip="Ongame 10x Bonus earned" />
      
      
      <Stat GroupName="Default" ColumnName="Ongame PPs" ValueExpressions="
      Sum((case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 10 and 19 then 0.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 20 and 29 then 0.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 30 and 39 then 0.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 40 and 49 then 0.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 50 and 59 then 0.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 60 and 69 then 0.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 70 and 79 then 0.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 80 and 89 then 0.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 90 and 99 then 0.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 100 and 109 then 1.0 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 110 and 119 then 1.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 120 and 129 then 1.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 130 and 139 then 1.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 140 and 149 then 1.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 150 and 159 then 1.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 160 and 169 then 1.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 170 and 179 then 1.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 180 and 189 then 1.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 190 and 199 then 1.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 200 and 209 then 2.0 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 210 and 219 then 2.1 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 220 and 229 then 2.2 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 230 and 239 then 2.3 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 240 and 249 then 2.4 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 250 and 259 then 2.5 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 260 and 269 then 2.6 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 270 and 279 then 2.7 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 280 and 289 then 2.8 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount between 290 and 299 then 2.9 else 0 end)+
      (case when PHMISC.BetAmountPreflop+PHMISC.CallAmountPreflop+PHMISC.PostAmountPreflop > 0 and PKH.RakeAmount >=300 then 3 else 0 end))/1.0
      as OngamePPs" Evaluate="OngamePPs" ColumnHeader="Ongame\nPlayer Points" ColumnFormat="0.00" ColumnWidth="*" Tooltip="Ongame Player Points earned" />
  • 4 replies
    • mishuq
      mishuq
      Bronze
      Joined: 31.07.2008 Posts: 436
      yeah I also did that about a month back. but I think I'm done with bwin.
      it's my second time I hit a downswing that finishes up my roll
      I'm down 760 $ for the last 8 k hands...that's like 38 buy ins
      first time it was smth like 58 BI

      I wonder if I would still play poker if I would've used the 30 BI brm rule. even this way, the swing is more than I can handle having no rb and only the 1K$ steps bonus..

      anyway I think I'll move to full tilt and start learning again because it's impossible to improve your game against the bwin fish
    • darkonebg
      darkonebg
      Headadmin
      Headadmin
      Joined: 17.01.2008 Posts: 9,508
      Well, sorry to hear that.
      Anyway, variance will be the same in every poker site. It will be bigger if your edge is smaller(as is the case with FTP). The game there is very different and you wont be improving your own game, just adapting it.
      The main reason Im sticking to ongame sites are the incredibly fishy players, even on the NL100+ limits.
    • carusel
      carusel
      Bronze
      Joined: 28.10.2007 Posts: 202
      i play at bwin and having trouble importing hands into PokerTracker 3. Can anyone explain to me how to import bwin hands ? Please
    • tokyoaces
      tokyoaces
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.04.2009 Posts: 1,883
      1) Run Poker Tracker.
      2) Select the Auto-Import tab.
      3) Click OnGame.
      4) Click OnGame Configuration.
      5) Click Auto-detect.
      6) Click Auto-import.
      7) Play on OnGame.
      8) ????
      9) Profit!