Discipline in MTTs

    • danmarcus111
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      Hi Guys,

      Im putting this here because I don't have access to the MTT board yet. Last night I was playing on the FTP $1 daily re-buy (full of donks, you can play SSS or tighter for first 2 hours and you will be doubled though at least 3 times if you're not donked out!) and was doing quite well. I had made it past the bubble and was chip-stacked about 5th out of the 60ish remaining. However, it had taken 4 hours (ish) to get to this point and I was starting to get restless after receiving crap for a while. I receive 99, TT or something and overplay it through the flop (which has overcards but is rainbow and has no straight opp.) and go for a ludicrous bluff on the turn(multiples of the pot) despite the flop call and end up losing most of my stack (I lose the rest of my chips soon thereafter).

      Im sure this is a common mistake, and probably makes fun light reading for any of you seasoned pros out there, but I was wondering whether anybody has tactics for keeping fresh and preventing yourself from making plays that you simply know are not profitable when you are tired and bored?


      Dan
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    • viewer88
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      I use a 4 screen setup:

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    • steIIstuI
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      in a multyway pot you should have known your TT were beat with overcards in the comunity cards.. it's obvious. limp before the flop for set value and check/fold always on the flop if you dont hit.
    • danmarcus111
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      ha ha, thanks viewer...I might try that!! :f_biggrin:

      ste - I know I played the hand poorly (though it was at least only one player I was trying to bluff). Trust me, earlier in the tourney I would have folded a hand like that or had made a sensible sized bluff on the turn if a feeler bet on the flop was called. It was boredom/ lack of concentration or discipline that made me make a stupid play and I would just like to know if anybody has a way of controlling these feelings?
    • Wurble
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      I tend to do this in MTT's as well - I've lost count of how many times i should've easily made the final table just to overplay some shit through boredom and end up on the rail.

      I open 1 or 2 low buy in single table sng's now to keep me occupied while playing mtt's :) Works for me.
    • Pairdrawer65
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      my tip is when you play a mtt. always know you are going to have to sit for a long time. in most tourneys winning takes about 6 hours. if you dont have the time to play for the win, DONT PLAY!

      about being bored i can't focus on one table aswell, just play your normal table amount, open some cash games/sng's aswell. or open some movie/serie. i myself like to watch southpark while getting deep in a tourney.
    • fun101rockets
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      i agree with pair open 1 MTT and some cash/sng tables
    • steIIstuI
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      I would recommend if you play 4 in the same time.. 3 of them should be SnG's and 1 MTT. this way you get more action in the SnG's and you aren't tempted to play trash hands or overplay something in the MTT. Once the SnG's are over start new ones.
    • alejandrosh
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      Originally posted by steIIstuI
      limp before the flop for set value and check/fold always on the flop if you dont hit.
      on a late stage of mtt? normally stacks are too short to be limping for set value ... high blind limping is soooo bad in my opininon.

      Originally posted by viewer88
      I use a 4 screen setup:

      poker-porn-porn-porn
      very wyse man.
    • bkbart
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      you need to give yourself motivation....

      If you have someone who would like to watch you get them to as much as you can and talk things through with them. I find it help for motivation and concentration not to mention knowledge.

      Ultimately to give yourself better and more consistent results you have to want to win the thing. Not even just for the money. Make it personal you want to show everyone that you are better than them. Now obviously that is not easy and each individual tourney you might not be able to accomplish that goal due to luck and tough opponents.

      But here is how you do it

      You must pay close attention to your stack sizes and opponents stack and what kind of bets are going to get you in trouble against who. Also analyze how your opp are playing some guys steal all the time some let you limp in the small every time, some defend vs the limp, some fold when the clearly must call some dont ever push when it would seam they should.....etc.

      The top players are not the best just because they follow a good chart they get in their opponents head and try to understand what they are doing/going to do and why they are doing it and how to exploit that.

      In the smaller limit games I open up multiple tables too but I dont think it helps individual results. It may be +ive due to hourly rate being better and gaining experience faster.

      My problem is kinda opposite as yours. I get bored early in the tourney and get more focused around the bubble when you could be sitting at the same table for a while. As soon as I get around the bubble area I usually stop opening other table and concentrate on reads and chip situations and winning it.

      hope this helps
    • steIIstuI
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      [quote]Originally posted by alejandrosh
      Originally posted by steIIstuI
      limp before the flop for set value and check/fold always on the flop if you dont hit.
      on a late stage of mtt? normally stacks are too short to be limping for set value ... high blind limping is soooo bad in my opininon.



      Well he was 5th so i imagine he had a big stack, and i also imagine that he was at least in a MP.. It's a good play to just limp with TT because if someone pushes over you you can fold or call depending on the odds and the opponent image. Better than raising to 2.5 - 4 BB . If you raise to 4 BB in a 2000/4000 blinds and someone pushes with 10 BB you are priced in and you trap yourself, unless you like to play flips that often. And if he was in CO or BU it's a really good play imo, Daniel Negreanu would also recommend limping in those positions once in a while with a pretty good hand for that stage of the tournament. This way you trap the blinds very often.
    • alejandrosh
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      daniel negreanu plays completly different games they're deep stacked , low structure, way higher buyins and so on .... so I wouldn't become a daniel negreanu bible and apply everything he does/says to a micro limit online multitable tournament.

      in my opinion open limping preflop TT, is incredibly bad. even worse at CO or BU.
      against aggresive blinds isn't it better just to raise like a normal steal and expect to be resteal often? It doesn't make much sence because passive blinds will just check and outdraw you for free and aggressive blinds will 3bet you with weaker hands anyway.
    • Alverine
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      Originally posted by alejandrosh
      daniel negreanu plays completly different games they're deep stacked , low structure, way higher buyins and so on .... so I wouldn't become a daniel negreanu bible and apply everything he does/says to a micro limit online multitable tournament.

      in my opinion open limping preflop TT, is incredibly bad. even worse at CO or BU.
      against aggresive blinds isn't it better just to raise like a normal steal and expect to be resteal often? It doesn't make much sence because passive blinds will just check and outdraw you for free and aggressive blinds will 3bet you with weaker hands anyway.
      +2

      mid/late positions i make a standard 3BB raise
    • steIIstuI
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      Originally posted by alejandrosh
      daniel negreanu plays completly different games they're deep stacked , low structure, way higher buyins and so on .... so I wouldn't become a daniel negreanu bible and apply everything he does/says to a micro limit online multitable tournament.

      in my opinion open limping preflop TT, is incredibly bad. even worse at CO or BU.
      against aggresive blinds isn't it better just to raise like a normal steal and expect to be resteal often? It doesn't make much sence because passive blinds will just check and outdraw you for free and aggressive blinds will 3bet you with weaker hands anyway.


      So you're telling me you play push/fold through all stages ? even if you have more than 25 BB ? I don't say it's wrong but how you gonna learn outplaying people at higher limits when you reach there if you don't practice and put in use a strategy?
    • steIIstuI
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      i mean i play TT two ways depending on the table image and stage . it's a push always when i have <20 BB at that stage but it's a limp if i'm 5th stack in the tournament . then depending on a raise from SB BB and his image and stack i have a decision which for me is the best position to find yourself: no money invested , and i guarantee you if they push, 60-75 % of the time you have them beat. they even show 9 high. so it's like a trap, but without trapping yourself. You should try it
    • superjunk
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      So you push TT with 18BB ?
      I only shove when i have around 12 BB left, otherwise i just raise 2.5BB
      I never limp TT with a big stack. 25BB +
      Well sometimes u can trap a opponent like u said, but i dont want to give free cards , and taking the pot preflop is a good result.
    • alejandrosh
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      Originally posted by steIIstuI
      Originally posted by alejandrosh
      daniel negreanu plays completly different games they're deep stacked , low structure, way higher buyins and so on .... so I wouldn't become a daniel negreanu bible and apply everything he does/says to a micro limit online multitable tournament.

      in my opinion open limping preflop TT, is incredibly bad. even worse at CO or BU.
      against aggresive blinds isn't it better just to raise like a normal steal and expect to be resteal often? It doesn't make much sence because passive blinds will just check and outdraw you for free and aggressive blinds will 3bet you with weaker hands anyway.


      So you're telling me you play push/fold through all stages ? even if you have more than 25 BB ? I don't say it's wrong but how you gonna learn outplaying people at higher limits when you reach there if you don't practice and put in use a strategy?
      I don't play push fold through all stages , where did I say that?

      All I said Is I never ever ever ever ever play TT this way (on the later stages of a mtt) not just TT I don't limp preflop at all when the blinds get huge.

      limp before the flop for set value and check/fold always on the flop if you dont hit.


      keep in mind that doing this is highly exploitable also, I wouldn't say limp and check/fold without a set outplaying anyone.