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[NL2-NL10] NL10 FR, JJ 2 hands

    • jenoc
      Joined: 06.04.2008 Posts: 510
      MP1 stats: VpIP/PFR/AF/WtSD/hands 16/3.5/3/29/60

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($14.90)
      BB ($21.50)
      UTG ($2.15)
      Hero ($10.20)
      UTG+2 ($10.30)
      MP1 ($10.15)
      CO ($10.10)
      BTN ($9.85)

      Dealt to Hero J:spade: J:heart:

      fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, MP1 calls $0.40, fold, fold, fold, fold,

      FLOP ($0.95) A:diamond: 5:diamond: J:club:

      Hero bets $0.65, MP1 calls $0.65,

      TURN ($2.25) A:diamond: 5:diamond: J:club: 6:diamond:

      Hero bets $1.50, MP1 raises to $9.10, Hero calls $7.60,

      RIVER ($20.45) A:diamond: 5:diamond: J:club: 6:diamond: 9:spade:

      Should I give him that flush and give up? In this case I was calling against odds, but this Hero can't fold a set of J's yet.. :D


      I'm posting two hand's, because this was the very next hand:

      Villain unknown: 8 hands at table, played only one.

      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.10(BB) Replayer
      SB ($21.40)
      BB ($2.15)
      Hero ($10)
      UTG+1 ($10.30)
      UTG+2 ($19.45)
      MP1 ($10.10)
      CO ($9.85)
      BTN ($14.85)

      Dealt to Hero J:spade: J:club:

      Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $1.40, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $1,

      FLOP ($2.95) 8:heart: J:heart: K:club:

      check, CO bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.50, CO raises to $8.45, Hero calls $3.95,

      TURN ($19.85) 8:heart: J:heart: K:club: J:diamond:

      RIVER ($19.85) 8:heart: J:heart: K:club: J:diamond: 9:diamond:

      My biggest question about PF, is calling out of position ok? Here I can't call for set value, but folding JJ's.. :f_cry:
      Not only this case but in general- such situations are confusing:
      if i call and flop is low than I'm forced to check/raise him, but only hand I can make fold is AK, maybe AQ. Should I just give it up PF?

  • 3 replies
    • Volrath89
      Joined: 23.07.2008 Posts: 2,171
      1st hand: Yeah, as hard as it sounds you have to fold there.

      2nd hand: It's safer to just fold preflop here OOP. And you could "theoretically" call for set value if you are completely sure you will stack villain if you hit your set (which happens once every 8.5 times) so a Call8 rule would be theoretically possible, but as its unlikely that you'd stack him every time.. I think the minimun you can afford to call for set value is a call16 (need to stack him half the times you hit to make it profitable). Your standard move should be just fold.
    • radyan111
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 1,151
      I guess I wouldn't fold my jacks there. He might make that move with A5 or AJ who suddenly got scared of a flush, he might do that with 55 or 66 or even AxKd, JxKd from time to time. Even if not, you still got 11 outs. I would ship it like you did.
    • veriz
      Joined: 20.07.2008 Posts: 65,504

      Hand 1

      Flop: You can even bet bigger, $0.75+.
      Turn: While we still have hit our FH on river, I don't mind Check/Calling here and hopefully hit on river, going broke here is very marginal and with very big variance, we will need also some reads on him that he is capable of shoving here any kind of set or something similar, not only flush.

      Hand 2
      Being OOP against unknown I would likely fold it here and wait for a better spot or at least get some reads on him. With reads you can try Calling and playing postflop but without I like to fold more.

      Best regards,