The 'Alaton' SSS Test !!!

    • Stefan1000
      Stefan1000
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      Joined: 24.01.2006 Posts: 1,649
      We would like to offer both interesting and tricky hands for your perusal. This way, you won't miss the most important example hands.

      The hands presented here are analyzed with particular intensity just for you!


      [B]Topic: how do I play against short stack strategy players? - preflop[/b]

      Foreword: This week, I want to show you a few situations where you can check what you've learned in the last few weeks in the forums and coachings. The whole thing has the form of a “quiz”, and you'll find the justifications and commentary afterward.



      We expect the raiser in front of us to play the SSS (ShortStack Strategy) 100% of the time

      ******* Hand 1 ****************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($24.44)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($9.70)
      UTG+1 ($2.15)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($1.65)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:diamond: , K:club:
      [color:#FF0000]UTG+1 raises to $0.40[/color],[color:#666666] 5 folds[/color] ,[color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) Reraise to $1.20
      d) All-In

      ******* Hand 2 ****************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($2.45)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($9.70)
      UTG+1 ($22.47)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($2.50)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:diamond: , K:heart:
      [color:#666666] 5 folds[/color] ,[color:#FF0000]CO raises to $0.40[/color], [color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) Reraise to $1.20
      d) All-In


      ******* Hand 3 ****************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($24.44)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($9.70)
      UTG+1 ($2.15)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($2.25)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:heart: , K:club:
      [color:#FF0000]UTG+1 raises to $0.40[/color],[color:#666666] 3 folds[/color] , MP3 calls $0,40, CO calls $0,40, [color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) Reraise to $1.20
      d) All-In


      ******* Hand 4 ****************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($24.44)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($9.70)
      UTG+1 ($2.15)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($1.90)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with Q:spade: , Q:club:
      [color:#FF0000]UTG+1 raises to $0.40[/color],[color:#666666] 5 folds[/color] ,[color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) Reraise to $1.20
      d) All-In


      ******* Hand 5 ****************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($24.44)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($9.70)
      UTG+1 ($2.15)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($1.75)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with J:spade: , J:diamond:
      [color:#FF0000]UTG+1 raises to $0.40[/color],[color:#666666] 5 folds[/color] ,[color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) Reraise to $1.20
      d) All-In


      ******* Hand 6 ****************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($24.44)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($2.15)
      UTG+1 ($9.70)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($2)

      Preflop: Hero is BU with J:spade: , J:heart:
      [color:#666666] 3 folds[/color], [color:#FF0000]MP+2 raises to $0.40[/color],[color:#666666] 1 folds[/color], CO calls $0.40 ,[color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) Reraise to $1.20
      d) All-In



      ******* Hand 7 ***************************************

      PartyPoker $10 NL Hold'em [color:#0000FF](9 handed)[/color] Recorded and converted with HandRecorder

      Stacks & Stats
      UTG+2 ($7.65)
      MP1 ($13.10)
      CO ($24.44)
      MP3 ($7.10)
      SB ($13.50)
      MP2 ($2.15)
      BU ($2.45)
      BB ($2.75)
      Hero ($2.30)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T:diamond: , T:spade:
      [color:#FF0000]Hero raises to $0.40[/color],[color:#666666] 5 folds[/color], [color:#FF0000]BU raises to $1.20 [/color],[color:#666666] 2 folds[/color], [color:#FF0000] Hero??[/color]

      a) fold
      b) call
      c) All-In
















      Solution:
      ******* Hand 1 ****************************************

      Solution: a)

      In contrast to the actual strategy, this is a fold since we have a concrete read on our opponent. As a SSS player he will raise with TT+, AK from UTG+1.
      With AKo, we have only a 40% chance of winning, so we fold without investing more in the hand.


      ******* Hand 2 ****************************************

      Solution: c) / a)

      Here, we again know that our opponent is playing the SSS, however this time he raises from late position so his range is 77+,AJ+,KQ. Our chance to win here is 55% so we have a standard raise because we are the favorite.

      Fold is also an option though, since we only have a 5% edge and this will nearly be eaten by the rake. Additionally, we must note the following effect:
      If we have the better hand our opponent knows that, as a SSS player, he'll only call with TT+,AKo/s (because of the large stack). Against this range we have only a 40% chance of victory.
      In the rest of the cases he'll have a worse hand that he will fold and not give us the full value!
      I believe this effect to be so large that a fold might even be the better choice!



      ******* Hand 3 ****************************************

      Solution: a)

      Even here we can't go all-in since the dead money is not enough to compensate our slim chance at victory!
      We'll get $2.12 in a pot of $5.10 if everybody up to UTG+1 folds.
      This is 42%, so with only a 40% chance of winning this is a bad all-in!


      ******* Hand 4 ****************************************

      Solution: c) / a)

      QQ is a standard reraise since we have 52% equity against shortstacks and are therefore ahead!
      The rake will take 5% and the dead money from the blinds makes up 4% of our pot, so in all we still have a positive expected value of 1%.

      In general, it is sensible to avoid 50:50 situations as an SSS player. For this reason, I would suggest a fold in this case. Such situations increase our variance by enormous amounts!


      ******* Hand 5 ****************************************

      Solution: a)

      Another easy fold. We have only 43% equity against his range and don't want to play as the underdog.


      ******* Hand 6 ****************************************

      Solution: d)

      Against the range of our SSS player, we have an equity of rather exactly 50%.
      The dead money in the pot makes it profitable for us. The effect from hand 2 does not apply because our stack is a bit too small, since with $1.75 he would have to call everything up to 99 (according to the strategy).


      ******* Hand 7 ****************************************

      Solution: a)

      The standard here would be an all-in, since only $1.90 remain in our stack and 1.90$ < 2$ = 5*0.40$.
      But since we know that our opponent will only reraise with TT+,AKo/s and we have only 34% equity against that range we have a fold.
      We would have to invest $1.90 in a $4.75 pot, which would be 40%>34%.
      So it's a fold, as you will hopefully recall from old example hands.



      Summary :

      As you can see, we play considerably tighter against SSS players since we found fold to be the best option in almost every hand!!
      I definitely recommend the use of Pokerstove to practice playing through such situations.


      JeRiKo1 has put together a good equity table for this theme, for which we say: many thanks!!
  • 6 replies
    • undercover82
      undercover82
      Bronze
      Joined: 09.12.2006 Posts: 813
      In theory and mathematics this is the correct way to play. Like you said however
      we have to be sure that the opponent sticks strictly to the SSS. In my experience from the low limits thats rarely the case , even for me.
      Its almost too tempting to become a calling station and generaly looser when your stack is 2 dollars or less.
    • frzl
      frzl
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.04.2006 Posts: 9,876
      Originally posted by Stefan1000
      c) Reraise auf $1.20
      ;)
    • Stefan1000
      Stefan1000
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      Joined: 24.01.2006 Posts: 1,649
      ups
    • FlaviaMomo
      FlaviaMomo
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      Joined: 20.01.2007 Posts: 54
      that was awesome, thx Alaton
    • Alaton
      Alaton
      Black
      Joined: 21.02.2006 Posts: 1,472
      Originally posted by undercover82
      In theory and mathematics this is the correct way to play. Like you said however
      we have to be sure that the opponent sticks strictly to the SSS. In my experience from the low limits thats rarely the case , even for me.
      Its almost too tempting to become a calling station and generaly looser when your stack is 2 dollars or less.
      You are right with that, in the limits below NL25$ I wouldn't suggest using the knowledge here, or better said: Use it carefully
      You should of course be able to identify the SSS-players and to that you should always observe the tables to get information on your opponents.



      In the articel it says in the end
      "JeRiKo1 has put together a good equity table for this theme, for which we say: many thanks!!"
      which is missing, so I want to add it, here is the equity table:

      http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=sssvsssspe6.png
    • frzl
      frzl
      Bronze
      Joined: 25.04.2006 Posts: 9,876
      this equity table is great. thx alaton. big thx jeriko :)

      í can confirm what alaton said:
      i´m playing SSS at NL50 right now and if you see a german shortstack there is a REALLY big chance that he plays exactly according to the SSS. so this table is a big help to me.

      btw: the test is nice, too :)