Session review, please watch and talk;)

    • kevvu
      kevvu
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      Hello, I did Fr session review. I played in party poker. Hope u guys can watch it and tell me about my mistakes. CiRith i hope u have time to watch it. (first 10 minutes its quite boring, nothing playable). The video is with sound, i tried to talk something but i dont know how it fell out.
      I uploaded it here...
      http://netload.in/dateiwPjDYY9LHp.htm (its the new link now) working?
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    • ciRith
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      Will download and watch it later. Is it with sound? How long? :)

      EDIT: 404 - Not Found

      Hmm broken link?
    • Schnitzelfisch
      Schnitzelfisch
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      +1. broken link :(

      ill try to watch too.
    • kevvu
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      I am trying to fix it and then send new link. It is 49 minutes nut first 10 i didnt had much good hands, hope u can find time to watch it.
    • kevvu
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      http://netload.in/dateiwPjDYY9LHp.htm
      I hope this link work. :P
    • ciRith
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      Originally posted by kevvu
      http://netload.in/dateiwPjDYY9LHp.htm
      I hope this link work. :P
      Downloading. :D

      I think I need a bit more time for it but I give you updates. :)
    • kevvu
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      Originally posted by ciRith
      Originally posted by kevvu
      http://netload.in/dateiwPjDYY9LHp.htm
      I hope this link work. :P
      Downloading. :D

      I think I need a bit more time for it but I give you updates. :)
      Nice :) . I will wait;)
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

      My judgement:

      First of all, why are you not using stats :| ? I think they would help you a lot to see the first tendencies and work with equity, define ranges easier etc.

      Second thing, on UL it says you have 0$ all the time, Party poker rigged?

      1:47 UR I think you should call the raise on the flop as the oponnent could easily be bluffing or have an A/J/1 card flush draw. If you hit your Q on turn or a diamond or a straight draw you are likely to have the best hand so you can call down. If turn doesn't improve your hand and he fires another barrel you can fold.

      3:24 UL isolation raise instead of a fold, not much to add here.

      4:26 UR you say that you have only 1 out for the BDFD - you have 2 otus for it.

      4:40 UL KQ you have 6 outs for your overcards + 1.5 outs for your BDSD.

      4:50 UL If Hloper69 checked and Terakol bet on turn you can call because it's not very likely that either of them has an A which means that you can give yourself some more outs for K and Q. But since Terakol donks it's likely for him to have an A so it's a good fold.

      6:24 BR a bit offtopic but that congratulations thing made me laugh :P .

      15:00 UL You don't cap flop for protection vs. flush draws but for value because you will never make a flush draw fold there.

      18:00 BR you could open limp with JTs there if it was a loose table, too bad you don't have stats or enough reads :| .

      18:55 UR you need K7o+ to call there

      19:23 UL you need to have 3 limpers in front of you to call K8s there, you are only facing 2 limpers so it's a fold.

      20:04 UL you also need to discount your outs because of the possible flush draw and OESD so be careful in that kind of situations. Also don't forget that you do have a gutshot + overcards before you discount. Easy fold in this one though.

      20:55 BR why do you only have 4 outs? You have 1.5 outs for BDFD and 6 clean outs for A and K since A of spades improves your hand as well. AA, AK, KK and QQ aren't likely here because you don't get capped preflop, you're facing TT or JJ here in most cases here in my opinion.

      Ok that's the first 22 minutes, will take a break now and watch the rest later on since this takes quite some time and concentration.

      Regards,

      Primzi
    • kevvu
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      Originally posted by Primzi
      Hello!

      My judgement:

      First of all, why are you not using stats :| ? I think they would help you a lot to see the first tendencies and work with equity, define ranges easier etc.

      Second thing, on UL it says you have 0$ all the time, Party poker rigged?

      1:47 UR I think you should call the raise on the flop as the oponnent could easily be bluffing or have an A/J/1 card flush draw. If you hit your Q on turn or a diamond or a straight draw you are likely to have the best hand so you can call down. If turn doesn't improve your hand and he fires another barrel you can fold.

      3:24 UL isolation raise instead of a fold, not much to add here.

      4:26 UR you say that you have only 1 out for the BDFD - you have 2 otus for it.

      4:40 UL KQ you have 6 outs for your overcards + 1.5 outs for your BDSD.

      4:50 UL If Hloper69 checked and Terakol bet on turn you can call because it's not very likely that either of them has an A which means that you can give yourself some more outs for K and Q. But since Terakol donks it's likely for him to have an A so it's a good fold.

      6:24 BR a bit offtopic but that congratulations thing made me laugh :P .

      15:00 UL You don't cap flop for protection vs. flush draws but for value because you will never make a flush draw fold there.

      18:00 BR you could open limp with JTs there if it was a loose table, too bad you don't have stats or enough reads :| .

      18:55 UR you need K7o+ to call there

      19:23 UL you need to have 3 limpers in front of you to call K8s there, you are only facing 2 limpers so it's a fold.

      20:04 UL you also need to discount your outs because of the possible flush draw and OESD so be careful in that kind of situations. Also don't forget that you do have a gutshot + overcards before you discount. Easy fold in this one though.

      20:55 BR why do you only have 4 outs? You have 1.5 outs for BDFD and 6 clean outs for A and K since A of spades improves your hand as well. AA, AK, KK and QQ aren't likely here because you don't get capped preflop, you're facing TT or JJ here in most cases here in my opinion.

      Ok that's the first 22 minutes, will take a break now and watch the rest later on since this takes quite some time and concentration.

      Regards,

      Primzi
      Hello,
      Thank you for your quick review. I dont have stats, because i dont have normal tracker program and some players says u dont need to use stats in that limit. On the next limit i think i use some tracker program trial version and if i like it then i will buy it. I have used elephant, but it is to slow and crash my computer when i play in party poker, i dont know what can be the problem.

      3:23 UL KJo i can do isolation raise from any position, if utg bet and i am utg+1, can i raise then too? When not in which position i should be then to do isolation raise?

      4:26 If i have BDFD on the flop then i have 2 outs for it always (i thought just 1, heard from some video)? And on the turn i dont count outs for it of course.

      4:40 I can count for BDSD 1,5 outs every time when the board is rainbow and how much when it is two suited? And how i can calculate that 1,5 ?

      20:55 Cant he raise with flush draw me on the flop? Sorry, i forgotten to count BDFD outs ?( . Why i read my overcard outs all clean?

      Yeah it need much time to deal with videos. I should had to made it shorter.
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Hello!

      Stats aren't neccessary at this limit but are needed to apply the gold articles to your game. I think that if you don't use stats you should play less tables because you should get reads on every single oponnent in order to have decent winrate - I suggest playing 2 tables max.

      3:23 since you aren't using stats i suggest sticking to the preflop bronze advanced charts, the chart "actions against callers in front of you" tells you with which hands you can isolate, HOWEVER the hands that you raise should be in the open raising chart at the same time too (you should isolation raise with KJo+ from MP2 because it's in the ORC but not from MP1, from MP1 you can only raise KQo+). So you can isolate with KJo from MP2 or later position, and in your case you're MP2 because one player is sitting out. If UTG bet you can 3-bet with JJ+, AKo and AKs, accordint to the 3-betting chart.

      4:26 and 4:40 http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/1354/1/ should answer your questions :) .

      20:55 according to the ORC MP3 (raiser)'s hand range is 55+, A5s, K9s, Q9s, J9s, T9s, A9o, KJo, QJo. From this range we should take AKo, AKs and QQ+ (we expect him to cap with those hands). Board comes 8 :spade: 2 :spade: 6 :heart: and he raises our c-bet. He might raise you with a flush draw, a set and 99-JJ here, maybe A8. If he raises with flush draw you still have 3 clean outs for K (vs his hand range you'll have best hand unless he flopped a set but that's really rare), 2 clean outs for A (only A8 will have a better hand if an A comes but we can't really discount more than maybe 0.1 outs for that, maybe even less) + 1 more clean out for A of spades since if A of spades comes we'll have top pair + nut flush draw which means it's a pretty clean out because we still beat 99-JJ and have outs vs a flush and a set.c That means we have 6 mostly clean outs and 1.5 outs for BDFD so in worst case we have 7 outs (we discount 0.5).

      Regards,

      Primzi
    • ciRith
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      Originally posted by Primzi
      4:26 and 4:40 http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/1354/1/ should answer your questions :)
      Finally I found out where these numbers come from. They are wrong in my eyes (not really wrong but to "easy". These amout of outs are only true in the best situation.
      I like this article here way more as it's more accurate:
      http://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/fixed-limit/1245/

      EDIT: You can deactive the Blackjack and Casino buttons to not click them accidently (or if you are on tilt :P ). :)

      I personally don't mind playing without stats. I played up to 1/2$ FR without any (well the tables were way loser when I played them.)
      But Primzi is right. As the tables are harder nowadays you should try to use one.
      Pokertracker 3 has a 60 day trial which is really great. Try it out. :)

      Min. 12: Nothing to say yet (except what Primzi mentioned already).

      13:24, UL: That's either a 3-bet or fold. As he raised from MP1 you can 3-bet 99+. If you go strictly by the bronze charts it's a fold. Or does the "Calling/Raising with raises and callers in front of you" chart apply here? (I'm not used to these charts.)

      LOL: "And he's definatly calling." Player folds. :D

      18:00, BR: Hmm finding tables that are lose enough to call here are pretty rare but good point. :)

      18:48, UR: That's a fold by the bronze and a call by the approx charts. :)

      19:25, BR: K8s is a fold by the bronze chart (KTs is a call, KJs+ a raise).

      20:55, BR: Good explaination Primzi. But I don't know if the A :spade: can be really counted as a full out. Sure it gives us a redraw but it doesn't give us the best hand everytime so we have to discount it a bit in my opinion. 0,5-0,75 outs is what I like more.

      23:00, BL: Take a note about his flopdonk. ("Donks flop with A-high/overcards agaist preflop 3-bet" or so.)

      28:24, BL: Nice hand even if you lost it. You can bet for a free showdown to protect against draw and maybe a better hand even folds.

      31:00, BL: This is wa/wb for me. You raised from UTG1 and he 3-bet. If he 3-bets by the bronze charts his range is JJ+, AKs, AKo. You are ahead of JJ-KK and behind against AA, AKs and AKo. JJ-KK might fold while the other playback. Your hand looks strong but better play it wa/wb against unknown. (My line, check/call flop, check/call turn, donkbet/call river to prevent him from taking a freecard.)

      32:36, UL: Without the coldcaller you should fold this. With him it's still close but fine. The donkbet is bad. He capped you preflop and with so much strength you are almost always against QQ+ and AK. AK has just 3 outs so it's wa/wb again for me.

      Board: Qc 3c 2s
      Dead:

      Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
      Spieler 1: 44.128 % 43.613 % 1.028 % 55.358 % QQ+, AKs, AKo
      Spieler 2: 55.872 % 55.358 % 1.028 % 43.613 % AcQh

      Often they don't even cap AKo as it's no pair (that's not even bad as AKo has not enough equity to cap here):

      Board: Qc 3c 2s
      Dead:

      Equity Gewonnen UnentschiedenVerloren Hand
      Spieler 1: 64.922 % 64.577 % 0.692 % 34.732 % QQ+, AKs
      Spieler 2: 35.078 % 34.732 % 0.692 % 64.577 % AcQh

      The 3-bet is way overplayed. :/

      Reducing his range and giving them credit is important. You may lose a lot money here.

      34:42, BL: Fold directly on the flop. The K :club: is really bad for you and improved his 3-bet range pretty often.

      42:50, BR: Wow I think I would have folded the river as you won't be ahead here very often. Hmm any opinions here?

      45:45, UL: A turnbet for a free showdown is possible as well.

      Done. :D

      No hue leaks in my opinion. You just seem to have problems if you hold a strong hand while your opponent is showing a lot strength. :)
    • Schnitzelfisch
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      Originally posted by ciRith

      13:24, UL: That's either a 3-bet or fold. As he raised from MP1 you can 3-bet 99+. If you go strictly by the bronze charts it's a fold. Or does the "Calling/Raising with raises and callers in front of you" chart apply here? (I'm not used to these charts.)

      According to the cold-calling gold article we can call here with 88 :) .
      (You can cold-call with any pocket pair when at least 2 opponents have already called the raise. You can cold-call with 55+ (44+ if you're the SB) when at least one opponent has already called the raise. - we expect the limper to limp-call so that means we have one raiser and one caller - even according to bronze chart we can call here :) .)

      Originally posted by ciRith
      18:48, UR: That's a fold by the bronze and a call by the approx charts. :)
      Hmm, there's no BB defence vs ORC chart in FR Approx' chart :| . It would be a call if the game was SH but it's a fold in FR i think, I'm not exactly sure why there is a difference but ah well. I mean why should BU in FR raise tighter than BU in SH? Doesn't make much sense

      ...to be continued...
    • kevvu
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      Now i have worked the video through. And i hope soon to move 0,5/1 Fr. I think i need to work with silver articles and with tracker program. Thanks for your reviews :tongue: . These were very helpful :P
    • ciRith
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      Originally posted by Primzi
      Originally posted by ciRith

      13:24, UL: That's either a 3-bet or fold. As he raised from MP1 you can 3-bet 99+. If you go strictly by the bronze charts it's a fold. Or does the "Calling/Raising with raises and callers in front of you" chart apply here? (I'm not used to these charts.)

      According to the cold-calling gold article we can call here with 88 :) .
      (You can cold-call with any pocket pair when at least 2 opponents have already called the raise. You can cold-call with 55+ (44+ if you're the SB) when at least one opponent has already called the raise. - we expect the limper to limp-call so that means we have one raiser and one caller - even according to bronze chart we can call here :) .)
      Alright. As I said I'm not used to these charts and how to red the correctly. ;)

      Originally posted by ciRith
      18:48, UR: That's a fold by the bronze and a call by the approx charts. :)
      Hmm, there's no BB defence vs ORC chart in FR Approx' chart :| . It would be a call if the game was SH but it's a fold in FR i think, I'm not exactly sure why there is a difference but ah well. I mean why should BU in FR raise tighter than BU in SH? Doesn't make much sense

      ...to be continued...
      There is no difference. The bronze charts are just tighter but you can easily use the approx SH chart as long as the action comes from MP2-SB. As the same ORC is used for it. ;)