[NL20-NL50] AKd utg1 - shove pf

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    • Bierbaer
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      So what exactly is your question?
    • TheBrood
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      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
    • Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
      it is very standard getting there all-in with AK, because you´re likely not behind, pot is big and he could shove with worse hands
    • TheBrood
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
      it is very standard getting there all-in with AK, because you´re likely not behind, pot is big and he could shove with worse hands
      Actually I don't see him calling my shove with worse, I did it so he can fold his TT-QQ. In other words for FE and I might hit and beat his pp.
    • Jaissica
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
      it is very standard getting there all-in with AK, because you´re likely not behind, pot is big and he could shove with worse hands
      Why do we think 17-10 in full ring can shove worse than AKo? No way is this guy shoving AQs. Itd be rare for -10 to even 3bet a hand worse than AKo.

      Flat or fold, with a lean towards fold because of position and constricted implieds (villain has $15 instead of $20), but depending heavily on our villain's 3bet stat which is becoming semi-reliable at 429 hand read. If villain 3bets more than 5% then villain sometimes 3bets TT, AQs and we can choose between a call and a 4bet. If the villain 3bets 2% or less its QQ+, sometimes AK (QQ+, AKo = 2.5%) and we should probably muck OOP.

      Suicidal shove, if my guess of this player's 3bet range (2%, QQ+, AKs+) is accurate.
    • Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by Jaissica
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
      it is very standard getting there all-in with AK, because you´re likely not behind, pot is big and he could shove with worse hands
      Why do we think 17-10 in full ring can shove worse than AKo? No way is this guy shoving AQs. Itd be rare for -10 to even 3bet a hand worse than AKo.

      Flat or fold, with a lean towards fold because of position and constricted implieds (villain has $15 instead of $20), but depending heavily on our villain's 3bet stat which is becoming semi-reliable at 429 hand read. If villain 3bets more than 5% then villain sometimes 3bets TT, AQs and we can choose between a call and a 4bet. If the villain 3bets 2% or less its QQ+, sometimes AK (QQ+, AKo = 2.5%) and we should probably muck OOP.

      Suicidal shove, if my guess of this player's 3bet range (2%, QQ+, AKs+) is accurate.
      Because his stack is only 75bb and he seems enough aggressive I think that kind of player would often get there all-in other hands than QQ+/AK.
      So if he calls shove with JJ/TT, then it is the same if he´d call shove with AQ.
    • TheBrood
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      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
      it is very standard getting there all-in with AK, because you´re likely not behind, pot is big and he could shove with worse hands
      When you say "you´re likely not behind" do you mean "you´re likely not against KK, AA"? (imo I'm behind 77+ but dead money makes up for the % I'm behind)
    • BogdanDin7
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      I`m also leaning towards folding here. Hero raises from UTG1 so villain 3-bet range is getting tighter here. My guess is we are too often against QQ+ here to justify risking 75BB.
    • HannesNL
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      I likely never fold AKs. But it REALLY is depended on his 3-bet stat. if it is like <1, i fold. between 2-5 I call, higher than 5, I 4-bet, but likely to min4-bet since a shove isolates his range :) .
    • Jaissica
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      Originally posted by timkroes
      I likely never fold AKs. But it REALLY is depended on his 3-bet stat. if it is like <1, i fold. between 2-5 I call, higher than 5, I 4-bet, but likely to min4-bet since a shove isolates his range :) .
      +1
    • Kaitz20
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      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Kaitz20
      Originally posted by TheBrood
      Originally posted by Bierbaer
      So what exactly is your question?
      If you would play like this and why or why not
      it is very standard getting there all-in with AK, because you´re likely not behind, pot is big and he could shove with worse hands
      When you say "you´re likely not behind" do you mean "you´re likely not against KK, AA"? (imo I'm behind 77+ but dead money makes up for the % I'm behind)
      yeah, I meant that you´re likely not big underdog when you go all-in pf.
    • TheBrood
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      Originally posted by timkroes
      I likely never fold AKs. But it REALLY is depended on his 3-bet stat. if it is like <1, i fold. between 2-5 I call, higher than 5, I 4-bet, but likely to min4-bet since a shove isolates his range :) .
      Supposing I call, what if I miss and he cbets? I will have to fold 2/3 of the cases I believe