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[NL20-NL50] KK on QQ board

    • caltabiano
      Joined: 09.03.2007 Posts: 1,992
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($79.10)
      BB ($11.48)
      CO ($47.73)
      BTN ($15.51)

      Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:spade:

      CO calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $3, fold, CO calls $2.50

      FLOP ($6.50) 8:diamond: Q:diamond: 3:club:

      Hero bets $4, CO calls $4

      TURN ($14.50) 8:diamond: Q:diamond: 3:club: Q:club:

      Hero bets $8, CO raises to $16, Hero calls $8

      RIVER ($46.50) 8:diamond: Q:diamond: 3:club: Q:club: 9:spade:

      Hero checks, CO bets $24.73 (AI), Hero folds

      CO wins $44.50

      Better to just fold on the turn? Once I call, can I still fold river?

      opp is unknown. He had just joined the table.
  • 3 replies
    • Alan883
      Joined: 03.12.2008 Posts: 1,941
      U have to ask yourself what will u do RIVER.

      here are also two colors u dont like to see on river and every other hand except K is not good for u.

      So maybe is folding really the best option on TURN.

      And mybe also betting a little more on flop becouse of flush protection come here as an option.
    • MaestroOfZerg
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      On the flop my plan is to bet more on the flop and more on the turn, like $5 into $6.5 and and then $12 into $16.5 to set up an easy jam on a good river.

      Obviously as played that turn card sucks for us, as his calling range on the flop mostly consists of Qx hands, flusdraws, probably some PPs he peeled, and random floats. I don't really expect him to suddenly start minraising his spade flushdraws or his floats on the turn, although your turn bet seems weak so it's possible even that player picked up on it.

      You're getting a sick price with more than 4.5:1 so i guess if that player is capable of bluffing sometimes it's still an okay call. With a better read on the guy, folding right there would be fine too.

      On the river he jams, which was to be expected. It could still be a bluff, because when weak players start bluffing they tend to overdo it, but it's now much more likely that you're crushed by Qx, so i'd save the 50bb and fold too.
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I think there is nothing wrong take c/c line on the turn and evaluate on the river
      If you decide to bet I think bet/fold is better than b/c.
      River fold is fine