staking

    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Hi,
      I've been staking an MTT players, and the deal has been that i pay the buyin and we split the winnings 50/50 (>100% ROI required for it to be profitable for me)

      is that the best kind of deal? i've thought about splitting it differently for higher buyin MTTs so we don't need 100% ROI, but are there better kinds of MTT staking deals? does anyone have experience with this?
  • 16 replies
    • Alexd10
      Alexd10
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      Joined: 07.07.2008 Posts: 609
      usually its the buyin back then whatevers left is either split 50/50 or 40/60 (60 to the staker)

      However it usually depends how successful the player is at MTT's, if they are very good then as the staker you would expect less of the winnings.
    • qwery1
      qwery1
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      Joined: 01.05.2008 Posts: 356
      If you interesting about staking write me, I do it too a little bit.
    • fun101rockets
      fun101rockets
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      you pay a percentage of the buyin and get the same percentage of the winnings. For example you pay $5 of a $10 tourny u get 50% of the winnings (gross winnings not profit). If u r staking a very good player (using the same example) they could charge u $6 for a 50% share. They would need atleast a 20% ROI to make this profitable in the long run
    • Anssi
      Anssi
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      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 2,173
      I'd recommend something like this:

      Buy-in = x
      Prize = y

      They get (y-x)*3/10 = 30 % of the remaining prizes after the buy-in has been substracted.

      I don't think it is profitable anyways, people who have 100+% ROI don't want staking anyways.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by Anssi
      I'd recommend something like this:

      Buy-in = x
      Prize = y

      They get (y-x)*3/10 = 30 % of the remaining prizes after the buy-in has been substracted.

      I don't think it is profitable anyways, people who have 100+% ROI don't want staking anyways.
      i know someone who does want staking despite having a good BR and being a good low/micro stackes MTT specialist :) kind of weird tbh.
    • lenka12345
      lenka12345
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      Joined: 01.06.2009 Posts: 44
      SB+50% is standard
      for example, you invest 5$, horse wins 7$, you get 6$ and he 1$.
    • ihufa
      ihufa
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      Joined: 18.03.2008 Posts: 3,323
      Originally posted by lenka12345
      SB+50% is standard
      for example, you invest 5$, horse wins 7$, you get 6$ and he 1$.
      what if he wants to stake a human? idiot...
    • cannell555
      cannell555
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      Joined: 06.03.2008 Posts: 2,410
      I see the whole staking thing like this...

      If the guy can't afford to play it, theres a good chance he won't be profitable on that limit for a staking.

      Why would any decent winning player want/need a stake? Theres one situation he would imo, and thats if he's testing a higher limit, were he's not sure if he can be profitable or not.

      If the guys aint got a big samplesize then their ROI means jack squat, and i doubt anyone with the samplesize and/or BR, even needs/wants a stake.
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      How about a tourney where the buy-in would be split 50:50? Split winnings equally?

      Actually, while we're at it (this is a little off-topic, but I'd rather not start a new thread), how about cash games? I have a deal with a friend for live NL1k where we each invest 50%, and I (the player) get 60% of the profit. Losses are split 50/50.
      e.g I finish at 1500$, he gets his 500$ back plus 200$ = 700$

      Is this a good deal?
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Originally posted by cannell555
      I see the whole staking thing like this...

      If the guy can't afford to play it, theres a good chance he won't be profitable on that limit for a staking.

      Why would any decent winning player want/need a stake? Theres one situation he would imo, and thats if he's testing a higher limit, were he's not sure if he can be profitable or not.

      If the guys aint got a big samplesize then their ROI means jack squat, and i doubt anyone with the samplesize and/or BR, even needs/wants a stake.
      There are actually quite a few situations, at least here's a couple I've been in:
      - profitable player who had to withdraw for some reason, and doesn't want to grind back up
      - A profitable online low-stakes player will be a profitable live high-stakes player (at least in the casino I go to). I don't have the bankroll for NL2k, but I'd be profitable at it ;)
      Same goes for live tourneys. Look at the kind of players you find at the WSOP. Would you wait till you had a million-dollar bankroll to play?

      Also, staking deals will often include coaching, so it's an excellent way to try a limit you can beat with some work, but don't have money to invest in
    • fun101rockets
      fun101rockets
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      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      personally i am getting partially staked to play NL50. A group of "investors" own like 15 percent of my roll. I like this becasue it forces me to be disiplined, not tilt and it allows me to test a new limit. FYI BSS not SSS
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by cannell555
      I see the whole staking thing like this...

      If the guy can't afford to play it, theres a good chance he won't be profitable on that limit for a staking.

      Why would any decent winning player want/need a stake? Theres one situation he would imo, and thats if he's testing a higher limit, were he's not sure if he can be profitable or not.

      If the guys aint got a big samplesize then their ROI means jack squat, and i doubt anyone with the samplesize and/or BR, even needs/wants a stake.
      i aggree with your post.

      most of the time the palyer i'm staking doesn't really need the staking i'm offereing him. he has sufficient BR to pay for most of the MTTs i stake him for. however, for some reason he doesn't like spening $10-50 on an MTT :)

      he doesn't have the BR for some higher MTTs that i stake him for, but that's because he hardly ever plays. that isn't a problem though, as he's a good friend of mine and i know a lot about how he plays, and he spends a lot of time watching MTT training videos on various sites etc.

      so it's a kind of unique situation i guess.



      Originally posted by swissmoumout
      How about a tourney where the buy-in would be split 50:50? Split winnings equally?

      Actually, while we're at it (this is a little off-topic, but I'd rather not start a new thread), how about cash games? I have a deal with a friend for live NL1k where we each invest 50%, and I (the player) get 60% of the profit. Losses are split 50/50.
      e.g I finish at 1500$, he gets his 500$ back plus 200$ = 700$

      Is this a good deal?
      seems like a great deal to me.
    • swexiins
      swexiins
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      Joined: 25.05.2009 Posts: 1
      Hey folks,

      I am a beginner in this area, but would like to ask whether there is anyone who could be staking me.
      I am sure I will improve if someone help me!

      Thank you for your understanding
    • Waiboy
      Waiboy
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      Joined: 18.09.2008 Posts: 4,877
      Originally posted by swexiins
      Hey folks,

      I am a beginner in this area, but would like to ask whether there is anyone who could be staking me.
      I am sure I will improve if someone help me!

      Thank you for your understanding
      Hi swexiins

      There are plenty of resourses available on the site to help an aspiring MTT player - I'd particulalry draw your attention to the MTT strategy articles, videos and hand evaluation boards. You can certainly find plenty of help to gain a solid understanding of MTTs through these avenues!

      Unfortunately, to protect our members, requests for staking deals are not allowed on the PokerStrategy.com forums. Please refrain from making such requests in the future.

      Best of luck with the study!
    • TheRebuz
      TheRebuz
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      Joined: 12.10.2008 Posts: 2,078
      Originally posted by ihufa
      Originally posted by lenka12345
      SB+50% is standard
      for example, you invest 5$, horse wins 7$, you get 6$ and he 1$.
      what if he wants to stake a human? idiot...
      OMG r u serious?????

      ROFL , I spit mine coffee into the monitor when i read u r post
    • MrPavlos
      MrPavlos
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      Joined: 12.02.2009 Posts: 553
      ^^

      u need a level detector