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As far as stats im average. My perspective of Online Poker

    • davvy1123
      Joined: 09.06.2009 Posts: 1
      I started playing online poker a few years ago and have had my ups and downs. I dont know if its just in my psyche or what, but i cant help but feel that it is rigged. One thing Ive noticed, and please tell my your opinion on this, is that i absolutely cant slow-play even one street, not even a single missed bet opportunity is allowed. Bring down the hammer with strt flush,lol, ahhhhhh! ya i had to quit for a while, but with's advice about bankroll management im ready to try and handle the "variance" in online poker again. I was playing way out of my league, hundred dollar buy in's. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON HOW ONLINE SOFTWARE PLAYS OUT ANY GIVEN HAND? Is it predetermined, picked cards like live? Or does it somehow combine player action at the table with what drops. It is only man-made software, how am i suppose to trust it?
  • 8 replies
    • Zheelvern
      Joined: 29.10.2007 Posts: 705
      Try live game ;)
      Few days ago I lost with TT on flop T29 vs two players, 3 way all in, one of them had QQ, other KK. Turn J, river Q. Rigged ZOMG! :P
      Nah, online game is secure :)
    • Dragar
      Joined: 09.09.2008 Posts: 2,214
      I think your on to something.
      Online poker is rigged.

      Just the other day I was talking to my imaginary friend and he agreed 100% with me.
    • Zheelvern
      Joined: 29.10.2007 Posts: 705
      Life is rigged. Yesterday I was in a hurry and jumped in my car at the parking but some donk blocked the only exit of that parking with his van for 35 minutes.
    • s1ndr0me
      Joined: 18.01.2009 Posts: 131
      I'm pretty sure its not rigged. It's just variance and the fact that your hands per hour is so much greater than in a live game.

      I rivered trip jacks last night to bust some guys aces. He played it right and I played terrible getting it all in with AJ pre. But I sucked out complety. however if we played that same hand the same way ten more times he probably would have beaten me every time.

      Iron that variance out with volume.

      good luck
    • SheepMoose
      Joined: 15.01.2009 Posts: 854
      I think you haven't chosen your spots to slow play correctly. I also think you would not have such proof that poker sites are rigged. You may have gotten the money in with the best of it, but it doesn't mean your opponent can't catch up while being a 3 to 1 dog, they can even catch up while being a 20 to 1 dog; I even did so in such an incident in live play.

      I think to say something like poker is rigged is really jumping on the bandwagon, 99% of poker players are losers, More than half of these would blame rigged sites for such loses, losers do usually try to find something to blame; of course it's not their 100% perfect play when pushing all in with K5o.

      Have you visited a casino by any chance? Try playing some slots. That might give you a general understanding of rigged RNG's.

      so I ask you this, what reasons do poker sites have to rig a game against you or any of us? Keep in mind we are their customers. So unless you threatened to blow up their servers, ban internet gaming, or called the executive producers of the site donkeys; I don't see why they would rig something in your oppositions favour.

      Take care now.
    • fun101rockets
      Joined: 01.06.2008 Posts: 1,162
      i lost with KK against 55 on a 2247 board, he rivered a 5. I lost with over pairs v underpairs set vs gutshots. it is just varience learn to live with it.
    • harryjj0
      Joined: 12.08.2008 Posts: 54
      i never understand why people think that giving their examples of bad beats even contributes towards the question at hand.

      its as much a conspiracy as anything else

      this is an extract from

      Shuffle Highlights:

      * A deck of 52 cards can be shuffled in 52! ways. 52! is about 2^225 (to be precise, 80,658,175,170,943,878,571,660,636,856,404,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000 ways). We use 249 random bits from both entropy sources (user input and thermal noise) to achieve an even and unpredictable statistical distribution.
      * Furthermore, we apply conservative rules to enforce the required degree of randomness; for instance, if user input does not generate required amount of entropy, we do not start the next hand until we obtain the required amount of entropy from Intel RNG.
      * We use the SHA-1 cryptographic hash algorithm to mix the entropy gathered from both sources to provide an extra level of security
      * We also maintain a SHA-1-based pseudo-random generator to provide even more security and protection from user data attacks
      * To convert random bit stream to random numbers within a required range without bias, we use a simple and reliable algorithm. For example, if we need a random number in the range 0-25:
      o we take 5 random bits and convert them to a random number 0-31
      o if this number is greater than 25 we just discard all 5 bits and repeat the process
      * This method is not affected by biases related to modulus operation for generation of random numbers that are not 2n, n = 1,2,..
      * To perform an actual shuffle, we use another simple and reliable algorithm:
      o first we draw a random card from the original deck (1 of 52) and place it in a new deck - now original deck contains 51 cards and the new deck contains 1 card
      o then we draw another random card from the original deck (1 of 51) and place it on top of the new deck - now original deck contains 50 cards and the new deck contains 2 cards
      o we repeat the process until all cards have moved from the original deck to the new deck
      * This algorithm does not suffer from "Bad Distribution Of Shuffles" described in [2]

      PokerStars shuffle verified by Cigital and BMM International

      PokerStars submitted extensive information about the PokerStars random number generator (RNG) to two independent organizations. We asked these two trusted resources to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on PokerStars.

      Both independent companies were given full access to the source code and confirmed the randomness and security of our shuffle. Visit Online Poker Random Number Generator for more details.'

      Now check out who Cigital and BMM International are

      Then come back to this question (also considering the fact that they make enough profit in rake to avoid any financial need to cheat)
    • Jackalof
      Joined: 08.06.2008 Posts: 1,462
      We should appoint a monkey who would copy/paste the above reply to every "It's R1GGED lolmao" thread :P