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[NL20-NL50] NL50SH QQ - Push river?

    • Katavich
      Joined: 16.07.2008 Posts: 176
      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
      SB ($19.60)
      BB ($73.30)
      Hero ($55.70)
      UTG+1 ($51.12)
      CO ($55.10)
      BTN ($52.58)

      Dealt to Hero Q:club: Q:heart:

      Hero raises to $1.75, UTG+1 calls $1.75, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $1.25

      FLOP ($5.50) 5:heart: 7:spade: 4:spade:

      BB checks, Hero bets $4, UTG+1 calls $4, BB calls $4

      TURN ($17.50) 5:heart: 7:spade: 4:spade: J:club:

      BB checks, Hero bets $12, UTG+1 calls $12, BB calls $12

      RIVER ($53.50) 5:heart: 7:spade: 4:spade: J:club: 2:heart:

      BB checks, Hero bets $37.95 (AI), UTG+1 calls $33.37 (AI), BB folds

      UTG+1 - 24/10/0.8/44
      BB - 23/7/1.9/27
  • 2 replies
    • MaestroOfZerg
      Joined: 17.11.2008 Posts: 5,510
      Not sure i would shove against two guys who seem weak/tight borderline loose/passive :

      - they often don't get or don't care about protection and show up here with a set that they c/c all the way
      - the J on the turn bought an overcard they rarely have when they call the flop unless they picked it up with their flush draw, meaning 88-TT won't be happy to call both turn and river anymore, so we don't know what we're trying to get value from anymore really.

      That's one of those spots where we want to get maximum value but often end up value stacking ourselves again idiots we'll never see again in the future. I'm not saying i'm folding to a shove because we get good odds and they might bluff a missed draw, but i would probably c/c against 2 without better reads, i just don't think worse hands that made it this far are gonna call the shove very often. BB checked so we only have to call one guy's shove, and we get away if UTG shoves and BB calls i believe, i can't see both of them being behind.
    • Kaitz20
      Joined: 02.02.2007 Posts: 27,343
      I´d bet more on the turn, smt to 15$.
      since you ahve overpair and I doubt you´re going to c/f river, then shove is fine there. They should have enough worse hands that would call your river shove