[NL2-NL10] Jj Nl200

    • PanDuzePE
      PanDuzePE
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      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00 BB (7 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      CO ($211)
      Button ($40.40)
      SB ($200)
      BB ($194.20)
      UTG ($48.25)
      MP1 ($325.20)
      Hero (MP2) ($40)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J
      2 folds, Hero bets $7, 3 folds, BB calls $5

      Flop: ($15) Q, 8, 6 (2 players)
      BB bets $6, Hero raises to $18, BB calls $12

      Turn: ($51) K (2 players)
      BB bets $16, Hero folds

      Total pot: $51 | Rake: $2.55
  • 16 replies
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Hey Panduze,

      No stats for this guy so we can have a better idea of what we are up against?


      Ps.: Nice diamond you got there ;)
    • PanDuzePE
      PanDuzePE
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      vs unkown ofcourse



      ye nice, thx ^^
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Nh, imo.

      I don't trust the donk bet with only 1 overcard to our Jacks, so a reraise is a good way to find out where we stand. But after he calls our 3bet and another overcard comes on the turn, it's a definite fold for me. Too many hands that beat us now.
    • goldflair03
      goldflair03
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      Joined: 21.08.2008 Posts: 1,957
      Originally posted by Tim64
      , so a reraise is a good way to find out where we stand.
      bad idea.
      if he calls, ure beat and if he folds, u just collectet some deadmoney
      ok u've got ure information but this is all u'll get

      why do you want to turn this hand in a bluff?
      i think a flatcall is still a better option (wa/wb like).
    • raun
      raun
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      edit: didnt notice the small betsize,

      could it be better to float and see his turn reaction
    • goldflair03
      goldflair03
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      oh sry
      i didnt saw the FD on the flop :D
      in this case i also raise for protection

      on rainbowboards i would prefer to flatcall
      some players will barrel the turn with a 6,8,SD or nothing
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Not easy to play on the flop. You do quite often see these weak-bets as a kind of blocker with some draw or weak-made hand though. Raising can't ever be too bad although calling is an option. Raising for information is laughable though since it costs 1/2 a stack.

      As played you have to call turn since the K :heart: doesn't help too many hands that call your flop-raise (eg.Kx :diamond: :diamond: ,K8 etc). You also are getting tremendous pot-odds since most of your stack is already in the pot. If you felt on the flop that there are turn cards you might fold to then you should have shoved flop or just flat-called.

      Unless you are on some total bluff then I think putting >1/2 stack in the pot and folding is hardly ever a good idea.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
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      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      on the turn you are committed against draws so push the flop directly.. but i prefer calling and seeing a clean turn to get my money in good but its a little bit advanced
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
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      Originally posted by ysessa
      on the turn you are committed against draws so push the flop directly.. but i prefer calling and seeing a clean turn to get my money in good but its a little bit advanced
      what do you mean by "clean turn", are you talking about turncard or villains action or both? What would you take a villain firing turn to mean?
    • shortfuse
      shortfuse
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      easy fold, poor flop play (raise more eg $20, or just call)
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      I think a blank Mark :)
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Wow, this hand has me confused. I guess I can see why raising 'for information' doesn't make sense.

      Suppose we flat call flop and villain fires again on this Turn card. We can't really call, can we? After all, our hand is now 'trash'. Assuming we call the flop and fold on the Turn, we've definitely invested less than by raising on the flop, so that seems like a possible play. But I still don't know what we're doing if villain 2nd barells on this - or another non-draw completing Turn card...
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
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      Originally posted by shortfuse
      easy fold
      You can't just give up to every donk at this level unless you know 100% villain only donks with a monster, otherwise you will be exploited and lose value. How is this an easy fold?
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      With 2 OCs on the TUrn, you cannot call the barrel on the Turn ;)

      If Turn brings a blank, easy shove

      - Gerv
    • Nunki
      Nunki
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      Originally posted by Gerv
      With 2 OCs on the TUrn, you cannot call the barrel on the Turn ;)

      If Turn brings a blank, easy shove

      - Gerv
      IF there aren't too many Kx hands calling the flop raise THEN K :heart: is virtually a blank. I am a station when I've got most of my stack in the middle.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      oh yeah true but I was referring to just calling the donkbet ;)

      How do you see the K Nunki if you call the donkbet?