[NL2-NL10] NL100 AQs v Aggressive fish

    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP1:
      $72.95
      Hero:
      $18.50

      0.5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (10 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is CO with A:heart: , Q:heart:
      3 folds, MP1 calls $1.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.00, 3 folds, MP1 calls $3.00.

      Flop: ($9.50) 8:heart: , 4:diamond: , 9:club: (2 players)
      MP1 bets $4.00, Hero raises to $14.50 (All-In), MP1 calls $10.50.

      Turn: ($38.50) 2:club:
      River: ($38.50) A:spade: (1 players)


      Final Pot: $38.50

      Any thoughts, please?
  • 15 replies
    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
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      Joined: 17.10.2008 Posts: 1,107
      i would do the same here, not nearly the same situation as before, now you have position and fold equity.

      i wouldnt put him on a set, so it is either AA slowplayed or a scared pair or 2 overcards.. things that are easily foldable anyway.

      i have no idea about stats, is 26 wts a lot?

      i would shove anyway.
    • shortfuse
      shortfuse
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      you rivered him no doubt

      he was probably trying to protect his hand and you screwed him over lol
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      you rivered him no doubt


      Unfortunately not. Rag Aces with the rag part giving villain two pair...
    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
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      Originally posted by shortfuse
      you rivered him no doubt

      he was probably trying to protect his hand and you screwed him over lol
      we are not looking for what happenned later, just whether what he did was right at the moment when he did it.

      :)

      shame for the two pair, i knew he had a scared pair lol

      i would still do the same, fold equity is what you are after..
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
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      I think its likely he donks any pair and goes broke to your shove as he's such a fish. In that scenario you would thus be on limited OC outs which you may have to discount and a BD FD.

      You likely don't have the 3.1 to 1 odds to push but you may be able to call for implieds.
    • shortfuse
      shortfuse
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      Originally posted by Tim64
      you rivered him no doubt


      Unfortunately not. Rag Aces with the rag part giving villain two pair...
      so he paired on the flop? and you moved allin, so he did right to call

      or did he have A2, which i fail to see why he would call with that

      in which case, all in bluff was a ott, shoulda just bailed
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      If I knew him for donkbetting with garbage, I could be inclined to push.. but here, being a little cautious, I'd put him on PP, Ax with pair, OESD, maybe a gutshot with oc. These calling stations also call big pairs many times, so I wouldn't be surprised to see TT or JJ either.

      So with only OC+Bck FD and no further reads, I think I would actually fold.
    • BlitzkriegBaron
      BlitzkriegBaron
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      what db manager are you using? I think a few additional stats could be useful in this type of situation
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      what db manager are you using? I think a few additional stats could be useful in this type of situation


      A very slow-working elephant. Basically, my popup takes so long to popup that it's no use for decision making...

      Here, with only 55 hands, I don't think it would have made a difference.

      Seems like overall a fold was best but my push wasn't an enormous mistake.
    • BlitzkriegBaron
      BlitzkriegBaron
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      I completely agree
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Raise bigger preflop and against a fish, u have to determine if you can let him Fold approximately 33% of his range postflop given the fact that your 6 outs are clean.

      The less outs you have, the earlier I am more inclined to fold.
      This case is close but I prefer folding + noting and then shoving the next time you see the same exact situation.

      - Gerv
    • Tim64
      Tim64
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      Raise bigger preflop


      Regarding this: I Raised 4bb at NL10, NL25, and NL50. At NL100 everyone seems to raise 3BB (or max 3.5bb).

      So, I generally raise 3BB + 1BB per caller.

      Can you explain why it's better to raise 4bb instead?

      Thanks

      p.s. the rest of your advice makes sense - thanks.
    • excelgeo
      excelgeo
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      he is saying it so that you get more money out of him since he is not folding preflop and if he is going to suck out then he should pay a higher price for simply being a calling station
    • WildBeans
      WildBeans
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      it's always better to raise a little more when there are calling stations around - you need to squeeze out the value.

      But apparently you should also raise a little more so that peeps dont get the implied odds to go set mining...
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      On Tight tables it is ok to raise 3bb but do not raise 3bb because everyone else does, that doesn't really make sense.

      I raise Pot preflop (3bb on CO, BTn 2.5/3) because mostly I play on Loose tables.

      - Gerv