BEAT: Live poker is a joke [not another crappy downswing thread;crappiness not excluded though]

    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      just posted this on another famous poker forum, thought i'd post it here too cause i'm a whiney little bitch.

      I'm too tilted and tired to write well, so sorry in advance for the crappy post.
      Anyway, I was playing live NL1k, with my own moniez for once because my backer was at the same table as me (I'm usually staked for 50% = 500$). Win a few, lose a few, nothing much interesting. for what it's worth, standard of play is roughly equivalent to NL50 online, and villain in this hand is weaaaaak. nitty. will fold to bluffs all the time. (hence the play you will see)

      Here is a (expertly rendered) diagram of the table, with the rail behind it:

      ......8 <--villain
      (___)
      1 <-- seat 1, aka me.
      ****** <-- rail with railbirds

      It's pretty much impossible for me to look at my hand without the guys behind me seeing it (large index cards ftl), but i'm ok with it, that's never a problem. HOWEVER,
      Then a hand comes up (quite predictably, otherwise you wouldn't be reading this, right?).

      I isolate one limper to 50$ with 87o in position. he calls and we see a AT5r flop. He donks 50$ (pot is 115$), so I raise to 150$. he thinks a bit and eventually calls. (me: :s_frown: )

      Turn (415$) Jx. Check-check
      River (415$) Qx (board is AT5 J Q). This is where it gets interesting, obv.
      Dude checks, I put him all in for roughly 240$. He tanks for a while, then tells his neighbour he has two pair (which the rail obv hears). He then turns to his buddy at the rail (behind me, k?) and asks what to do (me: ?( ) SAID BUDDY NODDS AND TELLS HIM TO CALL (which he obv procedes to do). I muck (he had A5, btw) (me: :( X( )

      Not being the kind of person to make a scene, and willing to admit it might just be a misunderstanding (read: I hate angleshooting and don't do it), I silently go to the woman in charge (what do you call them? room managers? whatevers), and ask her 1. to ask the railbirds to gtfo. and 2. to check the camera footage to see if indeed there was an exchange between the player and his buddy on the rail. Totally normal, right?
      This woman being so kind and open, as with all the staff at this mfkin casino, tells me that no, it's not possible
      (me: YOU HAVE 14 CAMERAS ABOVE THE TABLES, WHY THE **** CAN'T YOU CHECK THEM BITCH? ) <-- I didn't really say that btw
      I repeat my inquiry politely, she procedes to ignore me, and I manage to catch a few words here and there from various people, the basic idea being this: apparently you have to whine at every single little _possible_ problem, and basically be an angleshooting douchebag to have even the slightest right at contesting a pot. Otherwise, try as you might, they won't even listen to you, much less go to _all_ the hassle of checking video.

      It was super obvious he asked his buddy on the rail what do to; that alone should make his hand dead, let alone the fact his buddy probably saw my hand before advising the guy.

      cliffnotes: I get cheated out of 400$ by a nit with a buddy on the rail; casino staff procedes to ignore my request to review camera footage, are generally huge *******s. I have never tilted so hard, and almost put my remaining 900$ on red. (clearly I should have, sorry for disappointing. only lost 55$ at roulette )

      I think I will now become an angleshooting douchebag myself, being a pain in the ass on _every_ pot, to stop anything like this from ever happening again. methinks i'll stop tipping too, cause tbh they don't deserve it.

      (AND YES I LIKE EXCESSIVE USE OF PARENTHESES, DON'T JUDGE ME)

      **** CHEATS AND **** MONTREUX CASINO, MKAY?
  • 14 replies
    • mbml
      mbml
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      Joined: 27.11.2008 Posts: 20,694
      sry to hear about ur bad session,
      just curious, what do you mean by large index cards
    • AussieIan
      AussieIan
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      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 366
      Originally posted by mbml
      sry to hear about ur bad session,
      just curious, what do you mean by large index cards
      they're the ones with the extra large numbers and letters on them, instead of std size...look at any poker store online and you can see pictures of them, you'll see the difference
    • tcs35
      tcs35
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    • mafaz
      mafaz
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      Joined: 07.12.2007 Posts: 222
      hehe... How is your hangover today ? :D

      While this may be truth, dont blame casino for everything. 1st you have to check what you might have done wrong.
      Like online poeple use elephanth, HAM, other shit and maybe colluding too. So they try every trick in the book live also. And if someone managed to see your cards obviously its your own fault. Casinos wont start to protect you because of your own stupidity. Especially they pay less attention if your drunk. Cash games is not the main profit of casino (unless it has a lot of cash game tables) so they obviuosly pay more attention to whats happening at other tables. And finally i dont think they could have seen anything in the cameras as they are not allowed to record sound actually. And what kind of casino is that where during a hand someone may talk about what to do with his hand???

      All in all i think u overreacted and i dont think you yourself would fold A5 there live :)
    • AussieIan
      AussieIan
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      Joined: 10.12.2007 Posts: 366
      the complaint needed to be made right there and then really, they're not going to do anything after the hand. As soon as he asked his mate behind you, an official complaint would have given you the pot, as obviously a casino doesn't want collusion going on.

      After the event though looks like cluctching at straws, and hard to prove anything without audio evidence.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by mafaz
      hehe... How is your hangover today ? :D

      While this may be truth, dont blame casino for everything. 1st you have to check what you might have done wrong.
      Like online poeple use elephanth, HAM, other shit and maybe colluding too. So they try every trick in the book live also. And if someone managed to see your cards obviously its your own fault. Casinos wont start to protect you because of your own stupidity. Especially they pay less attention if your drunk. Cash games is not the main profit of casino (unless it has a lot of cash game tables) so they obviuosly pay more attention to whats happening at other tables. And finally i dont think they could have seen anything in the cameras as they are not allowed to record sound actually. And what kind of casino is that where during a hand someone may talk about what to do with his hand???

      All in all i think u overreacted and i dont think you yourself would fold A5 there live :)
      lol, you're so wrong


      this story just one of the many things i see/hear every day that make me feel completely disgusted at humanity
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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    • Yoghi
      Yoghi
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      Joined: 10.09.2007 Posts: 14,387
      Fuck the French and everybody who speaks french obv
    • alejandrosh
      alejandrosh
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      Joined: 02.07.2008 Posts: 4,346
      live poker sucks. you can't play in your underwear /thread
    • silent21
      silent21
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      Joined: 08.08.2008 Posts: 1,556
      Originally posted by Yoghi
      Fuck the French and everybody who speaks french obv
      +1!
    • mafaz
      mafaz
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      Joined: 07.12.2007 Posts: 222
      Originally posted by Kruppe

      lol, you're so wrong


      this story just one of the many things i see/hear every day that make me feel completely disgusted at humanity
      wrong about what? :)

      Same humans play online.... who can be colluding using 2 computers with different ips, playing together and speaking via phone, skype, etc...

      Same online and live if you suspect someone colluding you better dont play at that table.

      And shouting or screaming at those people will hardly do any good.

      And pokerrooms or casino will have a hard time proving that someone is colluding.

      You have to protect yourself noone else will do it for you. Thats life.

      http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/video.html Check this link and watch dirty poker video :)
    • SPeedFANat1c
      SPeedFANat1c
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      Joined: 04.01.2009 Posts: 5,074
      You have to protect yourself noone else will do it for you. Thats life.


      I don't agree. Or if this is true, then pokerstrategy.com should add cheating strategy articles.
    • Kruppe
      Kruppe
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      Joined: 20.02.2008 Posts: 2,144
      Originally posted by mafaz
      Originally posted by Kruppe

      lol, you're so wrong


      this story just one of the many things i see/hear every day that make me feel completely disgusted at humanity
      wrong about what? :)

      Same humans play online.... who can be colluding using 2 computers with different ips, playing together and speaking via phone, skype, etc...

      Same online and live if you suspect someone colluding you better dont play at that table.

      And shouting or screaming at those people will hardly do any good.

      And pokerrooms or casino will have a hard time proving that someone is colluding.

      You have to protect yourself noone else will do it for you. Thats life.

      http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/video.html Check this link and watch dirty poker video :)
      some of the things in the post i QUOTED were wrong, not in your NEW post
    • swissmoumout
      swissmoumout
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      Joined: 23.02.2007 Posts: 3,385
      Originally posted by mafaz
      And what kind of casino is that where during a hand someone may talk about what to do with his hand???
      my point exactly. but thanks for the kind words


      All in all i think u overreacted and i dont think you yourself would fold A5 there live :)
      If he makes that call, then well played, I don't give a shit about the money. It's the whole playing the hand with someone else that's the problem. Do you see why?


      @ Yoghi, va te faire foutre

      :D