[NL2-NL10] NL100 AT steal

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      SB:
      $37.30
      Hero:
      $18.40

      0.5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A:diamond: , T:club:
      4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, SB calls $3.00, BB folds.

      Flop: ($8.00) K:diamond: , J:heart: , 2:heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero bets $5.00, SB calls $5.00.

      Turn: ($18.00) 6:heart: (2 players)
      SB checks, Hero checks.

      River: ($18.00) Q:club: (2 players)
      SB bets $7.00, Hero calls $7.00.

      Final Pot: $32.00

      Any thoughts?
      Thanks
  • 12 replies
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      wow! push the river please

      preflop - turn: nh
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      push river....
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      I agree with "push river" =D, you have only a couple of BB left.

      Otherwise, nh!
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Why am I pushing the river when I am possibly (and in fact) beat?
    • aboesing
      aboesing
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.06.2008 Posts: 900
      Are you raising in MP with ATo. I think this is a good hand to steal only in button. In SSS strategy, is push or fold. We only make call using odds.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      In SSS strategy, is push or fold. We only make call using odds.


      Hi aboesing, are you talking about my call on the river?

      If so, I don't agree. Odds have nothing to do with this situation as all cards are out. The only reason to push here is if I am justified in thinking I'm ahead. I create no fold equity by pushing. I simply win or loose a few extra BB depending on whether I have the better hand.

      AT is a slightly loose hand to raise in mp, you are right. But that's a different issue, I think.
    • dandycal
      dandycal
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      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      Originally posted by Tim64
      Why am I pushing the river when I am possibly (and in fact) beat?
      the thing is that you have so few BBs left, that you must think in terms of push or fold. Saving up a couple of BBs doesn't make much sense. If you think that investing $7 on this spot is profitable, then investing another $2.5 must be profitable just the same, since the odds you get for $7 are nearly the same you get for $9.5 in this spot. Otherwise it's a fold.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Instictively I feel you are right, but it's hard to get my head around this. If we think that our hand is so good that we are comitted to call based on pot odds (and from people's comments this appears to be the case here) then we call. But can't we decide not to invest more money than necessary in a situation where we might be behind?

      Effectively isn't flat calling as opposed to pushing a form of pot control? I know it's only $2.5 more but $2.5 saved is $2.5 earned, isn't it?

      As I say, I know I'm wrong because everyone's agrees that I should have pushed the river; I just can't quite see why. Maybe it's because I know what villain's cards were. If anyone wants to take one more stab at explaining it to me - such a stubborn idiot :rolleyes: - I would be thankful.
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
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      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      i do not want to controll the pot with a straight!
      i want to put all my money in with my monsters!
      A straight is a monster for me... no full house is possible

      Only the flushdraw beats you. But every other hand will pay you 2-3bb more for your straight.

      even if we say he has to
      30% the flush

      he doesnt have a hand which beats us in 70%

      So we loose the extra 3bb in around 30% &
      win the extra 3bb in 70% of all times.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Ok - simple enough, I guess :)

      Thanks for your patience!

      Rgds,

      Tim
    • aboesing
      aboesing
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.06.2008 Posts: 900
      You call using odds in flop and turn. In river you have a made hand. Go all-in.
    • Gerv
      Gerv
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      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      Originally posted by wuusaa
      i do not want to controll the pot with a straight!
      i want to put all my money in with my monsters!
      A straight is a monster for me... no full house is possible

      Only the flushdraw beats you. But every other hand will pay you 2-3bb more for your straight.

      even if we say he has to
      30% the flush

      he doesnt have a hand which beats us in 70%

      So we loose the extra 3bb in around 30% &
      win the extra 3bb in 70% of all times.
      Yepp

      What are CO/BTN stats because I sometimes Muck ATo on the Hijack because of loose BTN/CO :)

      - Gerv