[NL2-NL10] QQ with ~35 BB

    • elhh82
      elhh82
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      I wan't too comfortable playing against the raise here. Just fold next time?

      UTG+1 raiser is pretty loose with 10 PFR / 8PFR in EP

      I was planning to bet if no ace or king comes on the flop.

      $0.15/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
      10 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($28.60)
      UTG+1 ($24.60)
      UTG+2 ($25.45)
      MP1 ($5.15)
      Hero (MP2) ($8.50)
      MP3 ($10.00)
      CO ($34.60)
      BTN ($6.15)
      SB ($26.20)
      BB ($24.10)
      [MP3 posted $0.25]

      Pre-flop: ($0.65, 10 players) Hero is MP2 Q: Q:
      1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1.15, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.15, 4 folds, BB calls $0.90

      Flop: A: :6d: :4d: ($3.85, 3 players)
      BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

      Turn: T: ($3.85, 3 players)
      BB bets $2.55, UTG+1 calls $2.55, Hero folds
  • 12 replies
    • sm112
      sm112
      Black
      Joined: 14.10.2008 Posts: 213
      Fold or raise preflop, never call. I would have raised.
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      why cant we call here?
      I am confused because i saw a deucescracked bss fullring video yesterday where "DJ Sensai" said: We just call our complete middle position range against an UTG opener!
      So are 35bb not enough to play it the same way here.
      with a reraise you just bring all weaker hands to fold (probably JJ)
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      Well if we just call, we have no intiative on the flop, which is the basis of a shortstacking game I guess.
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      yeah its true that its way more difficult to play without initiative.
      but i like the idea of playing against his whole utg range & not being isolated against his around best 50% of his strong utg range.

      But i dont know it by myself how to play these things.
    • elhh82
      elhh82
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      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      the main concern isher is the increased stacksize, if i had a 20bb stack, i would've shoved.
    • pashone
      pashone
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.01.2008 Posts: 71
      WTF are you doing?! :s_o:

      re-raise this preflop there is no (better) way to play it differently.
    • elhh82
      elhh82
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      Lets agree that reraise preflop is the best move.

      whats the next move after the flop is an ace comes off like here.

      Assuming the initial raiser bets, i'll fold.

      If he checks to be, do i still bluff conti-bet?

      It just seems really expensive to lose 35BB here.
    • aboesing
      aboesing
      Bronze
      Joined: 06.06.2008 Posts: 900
      You should reraise in pré-flop to 3X raise = $3,45.
      In flop if you are facing one opponente, make your c-bet and fold if there is any resistence.
      Facing two opponentes -> check/fold
    • elhh82
      elhh82
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      if you bet 3.45, you're definitely shoving the flop vs 1 opponent, unless he bets into you with an overcard on the board.

      Shoving preflop could be considered in this spot as well i think.
    • pashone
      pashone
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.01.2008 Posts: 71
      just 3 bet. you are crushing his raising range.I don't know about shoving(definitly looks weaker than 3 bet,but it's an overbet).If you plan it then you must do it with AA too.
    • sm112
      sm112
      Black
      Joined: 14.10.2008 Posts: 213
      Against this particular opponent I would 3-bet to 4$ (I assume him calling lightly, so we get more value like this than pushing preflop) and shove any flop.
    • burek2000
      burek2000
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      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey elhh82,

      I wouldn't deviate from standard here and 3-bet to 3-3.5$ and go broke if he 4-bets. From your first post I presume you have more hands on the opponent, if so you can check his EP raise to 3-bet and if this is very tight, then you can even consider 3-bet/fold. But most of the time you will win the pot preflop which is fine.

      This way you get a big range that you beat to fold, but the true strength of QQ(or another monster hand) is to play them HU and if you don't raise preflop you can find yourself in a multiway pot like you did this time and with an overcard on the flop you are forced to give up the hand.

      Besides, winning hand preflop or on the flop is our goal with SSS as most SSS players lack postflop skills. If you decide to call with double stack you will very likely get to play the turn as well.

      As played, postflop is easy c/f with double stack and 3-way pot.

      Regards,
      burek2000