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[NL2-NL10] NL100 AJ double stack

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      MP2:
      $33.75
      Hero:
      $42.20

      0.5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (9 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is BU with A:spade: , J:club:
      3 folds, MP2 calls $1.00, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $8.00, Hero calls $3.50.

      Flop: ($17.50) 8:heart: , T:diamond: , 9:diamond: (2 players)
      MP2 bets $6.00, Hero calls $6.00.

      Turn: ($29.50) K:heart: (2 players)
      MP2 bets $10.00, Hero folds.

      Final Pot: $39.50

      Well ofc my pf call is non-standard and possibly -EV. However, I can hardly 4bet in this spot with AJ and 40+bb so it's either fold or call and evaluate the flop. Mp2 looks pretty loose and we have position which speaks in favour of a call and I get 4:1 pot odds so overally I think a call is ok here.

      On the flop we have a 1 card oesd and again villain min bets. Our odds to call the c-bet are 2.91:1 + implieds but it's hard to say how many of our outs are clean. I decided to call one street and gave up on the Turn, mainly through indecisiveness. Probably folding on the flop was best but I did briefly consider shoving.
  • 14 replies
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      you have 31% equity against AA on the flop.
      I dont like the flop call because we create no foldequity.

      I would have pushed the flop because we have much equity if being called + FE
    • elhh82
      elhh82
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      I probably would have folded preflop here.

      Limp/Re-raise is pretty strong in my opinion. Usually the fish will only play like this if they have monsters like QQ+/AK+
    • goldflair03
      goldflair03
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.08.2008 Posts: 1,957
      Originally posted by wuusaa
      you have 31% equity against AA on the flop.
      I dont like the flop call because we create no foldequity.

      I would have pushed the flop because we have much equity if being called + FE
      he'll never fold any overpair maybe ak - if he's limpraising this hand.
      i like the downcall and i also call the turn and go on every A,Q oir 7 broke

      the preflopcall is very close
      of course u cant fold to any min3bet but u dont know anything about his range or which of your outs are clean.
      =high variance :s_cool: :s_evil:
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      I dont like a downcall because you are comitted against a standard turn bet.
      Use the fold equity against an 8, 9, 77,66
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Ok, clever clogs - can someone tell me what is a 'downcall'?
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      call flop, call turn, call river = downcall
    • goldflair03
      goldflair03
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.08.2008 Posts: 1,957
      yeah i also don't like downcalls
      but with the dubble stack we'd still pushing 34$ in a 23$pott
      we've got against an TT+ Ako limpraisingrange 30% FEQ and 30% against his callingrange. =not really +EV
      so until i see him limpraising a lot of crap, i'll prefer calling in this spot.
      i dont like it but i also dont see another line without more information
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      look at our opponent, goldflair
      We cover his stack.

      He has just 20$ left after his flop cbet.
      So I think its okay to push.
    • goldflair03
      goldflair03
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.08.2008 Posts: 1,957
      goddamned :D

      sry :f_cool:

      with the new stacksize the calculation is still positive
      0.3*23+0.21*40-0.49*26
      6.9+8.9-13
      =+2.8$
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      I don't like the call preflop vs a 4 pfr limp/minraise. I just think *monster* and let it go so that I don't spew chips postflop!
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      32/4 + limp/min3bet = mostly a monster or at least a hand that has you dominated at least

      I just save my money here and fold, control variance (& your stomache) imo.

      Do you think he will fold after he limp/3betted Wuusaa & goldflair?

      - Gerv
    • iguan14
      iguan14
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.12.2007 Posts: 33
      i think Gerv is right.
      He will never fold after limp/reraise - bet flop.
      And without foldequity we cannot push here.
      :(

      :D
    • goldflair03
      goldflair03
      Bronze
      Joined: 21.08.2008 Posts: 1,957
      Originally posted by Gerv
      Do you think he will fold after he limp/3betted Wuusaa & goldflair?

      - Gerv
      well as we sayed , if he's still folding ak from his very strong limp/raising range (we gave him) then the push is still +EV.

      i personally dont like to fold preflop equity away (especially against an random fish). of course u have to take care when u play postflop with an dominated hand.

      so a tight fold preflop isn't wrong at all.
    • ysessa
      ysessa
      Basic
      Joined: 11.07.2008 Posts: 1,331
      Originally posted by Gerv
      32/4 + limp/min3bet = mostly a monster or at least a hand that has you dominated at least

      I just save my money here and fold, control variance (& your stomache) imo.

      Do you think he will fold after he limp/3betted Wuusaa & goldflair?

      - Gerv
      this i dont even think he will fold ak on the flop..