[NL2-NL10] Nl50 88

    • elhh82
      elhh82
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
      10 players
      Converted at weaktight.com

      Stacks:
      UTG ($6.93)
      UTG+1 ($28.35)
      UTG+2 ($50.00)
      MP1 ($15.60)
      MP2 ($61.04)
      MP3 ($46.50)
      CO ($49.25)
      Hero (BTN) ($8.50)
      SB ($32.79)
      BB ($57.05)

      Pre-flop: ($0.75, 10 players) Hero is BTN :8s: :8c:
      1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, UTG+1 calls $2, MP2 calls $2

      Flop: :3s: A: :9d: ($8.25, 3 players)
      UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks

      Turn: Q: ($8.25, 3 players)
      UTG+1 bets $3.75, MP2 folds, Hero folds

      Final Pot: $12
      Hero shows: :8s: :8c:

      UTG+1 wins $11.60 ( won +$5.35 )
      Hero lost -$2.50
      MP2 lost -$2.50

      I felt cheated after this hand. But vs 2 opponents what can i do besides fold?

      The turn bettor is pretty much unknown. But after 14 hands he only folded 1 preflop.
  • 7 replies
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 7,401
      As played, NH. No point betting on this flop.

      The only other possibility is to push preflop against the two limpers. This would be a good play against standard loose fish, I think. But, if you have reason to think one of the limpers is having a monster, it's safer to fold.

      So without reads, I shove against two limpers out of position, because with a normal raise you're pot committed if you get called and it sucks having to check fold this.

      So, I think it's either push pf or fold and wait for a better spot.

      Tim
    • dandycal
      dandycal
      Bronze
      Joined: 10.10.2008 Posts: 1,711
      I agree with Tim, push pre-flop. You would have to raise to 6BB, and with a stack of 17bb I just push to avoid having a difficult time post-flop.
    • Termi8r
      Termi8r
      Bronze
      Joined: 04.02.2008 Posts: 408
      I agree with Tim64 :D
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      Theres nothing you can do postflop with those Highcards out.

      About Preflop, I'm guessing you know you didn't raise 4BB + 1 per limper so I won't mention it. As the other guys said you are committed preflop so a shove is possible against two-limpers although I must admit I'm more careful about UTG limpers as they slowplay monsters a heck of a lot. (Their Vpip-Pfr Gap In EP can be useful for judging whether they do this though)
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey elhh82,

      no other way to play this hand. You could raise 3$ pre, but that's it.

      On the flop you face 2 opponents and with A-high board your PP is worthless, so c/f all the way and wait for a better spot.

      Btw, hero is BTN, therefore IP, so there's absolutely no reason to push preflop with 2 limpers.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • Gerv
      Gerv
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.05.2008 Posts: 17,678
      do you play with Stats Elhh82 ?

      If not, then I prefer to shove it preflop even though sometimes we have to worried about UTG. 88/77 are good preflop, they are not so very good postflop since P(Overcards) is just more than 50%

      So preflop you had to raise to 4+2bb = 6bb = $3 and leaving 11bb behind. I would have shoved preflop since you know that postflop, you have to shove for 11bb into a pot of 12bb+ as soon as 1 villain calls.

      Best regards,
      Gerv
    • elhh82
      elhh82
      Bronze
      Joined: 03.09.2008 Posts: 6,838
      yes i have stats, but not enough on this particular player.

      I didn't bet $3 because i bet 3.5+1x on CO and 3+1x on BU all the time, just sticking to it.