[NL2-NL10] Nl200 Kq Sb

    • dandycal
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      Grabbed by Holdem Manager
      NL Holdem $2(BB) Replayer
      Hero ($38)
      BB ($87.85)
      UTG ($36)
      UTG+1 ($204)
      UTG+2 ($114)
      MP1 ($166)
      MP2 ($76.80)
      MP3 ($213)
      CO ($190)
      BTN ($215)

      Dealt to Hero Q:club: K:heart:

      fold, fold, fold, MP1 calls $2, fold, fold, CO calls $2, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1, BB checks

      I'm not used to this limit yet so I couldn't bring myself to a push as I usually do in such situations.

      Opponents are 34/18, 23/15 and 14/12. I do believe that going AI pre-flop should be better than seeing a flop OOP against 3 opp, correct?
  • 18 replies
    • goldflair03
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      with which range does they call u're push, oop-reraise and how much FEQ or equity u need?
    • dandycal
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      I expect BU to be limping behind with a very weak hand given the pot odds, since he is aggressive enough to raise mid-strong hands against the other two limpers. So against him I believe I have nearly 100% FE, unless he is trapping a monster.

      The calling range of the other two are harder to predict for me (not much info on them, less than 100 hands). But t
      hey also seem aggressive enough to raise AQ+ 99+, so they should be limping Axs, SC, and low PPs imo.

      So I'd roughly estimate around 30% FE against all 3 and some 42-45% equity. Does that sound reasonable?
    • Tim64
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      Yeah I push this. CO calls pretty loose and so BU gets better odds for his call. I think BU is usually raising hands with are significantly better than yours against loose CO, so I think your often ahead here. You get decent FE too, I imagine.

      p.s well done on reaching NL200. On your way now. Maybe I should be asking you for coaching ;)

      edit: didn't see mp1's call but now even more reason to push imo, as the limpbehind ranges of CO and BU a reduced accordingly - as you said. I think you have at least 30% FE against likely holdings.
    • dandycal
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      Thanks Tim ;) And hey, take a look at you blog, left a message for you there.
    • wuusaa
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      the first limper is pretty loose. The only one with tight stats is the third limper.
      Nothing to fear.
      I push a really wide range here i think.
      Something like A7,KT,QJ,66
      But i dont know how we can calculate what hands are good in these spots for pushing?

      Does someone have an idea or finds my range too loose?
    • Termi8r
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      Hi dandycal,

      I would raise this hand and since you are OOP you have to shove. If you playing scared, like me that is also new on NL200 SSS then you could try and see a flop first and take it from there. Some retards call with A-rag and low pp then you are behind.

      Cheers
      Termi8r
    • DaPhunk
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      Completing KQ in SB vs These guys = Playing Scared in my book, Especially from you. To complete you also need to know how to play Postflop which is best not learnt at NL200. (Not meant to be an insult btw, its just your a shortstacker)

      My Advice; Don't Change your Game. Don't play Scared, Don't complete instead of your normal play. You will lose money. You're good enough at SSS to have reached NL200 so stick with the game you've got good at!
    • goldflair03
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      Originally posted by wuusaa
      the first limper is pretty loose. The only one with tight stats is the third limper.
      Nothing to fear.
      I push a really wide range here i think.
      Something like A7,KT,QJ,66
      But i dont know how we can calculate what hands are good in these spots for pushing?

      Does someone have an idea or finds my range too loose?
      i also never calculated such spots exactly.
      but lets have a try:
      a calculation with 45%EQ against a possible opponents callingrange

      http://www.PokerStrategy.com
      Operation canceled... 8,752,630 games processed in 7 seconds.

      Board:
      Dead:

      Equity Win Tie Loss Hand
      Player 1: 44.910 % 42.245 % 5.331 % 52.425 % KhQs
      Player 2: 55.090 % 52.425 % 5.331 % 42.245 % KK+, 99-22, A9s-A2s, KJs+, 98s, 87s, A9o-A5o, KQo, J4o


      ----------------------------------------

      KK+ stands for all traps /the J4o crap stands for all unresonable calls or tiltcalls.

      3.5 (deadmoney (1$ goes to the rake)*0.4(let's say 40%fe) + [0.95(19+3.5)]*0.27 - 0.33*19
      1.4 +5.7-6.27= 0.83$ Ev

      so it's nearly BE and the EV can also drop very much if the opponents
      are trapping in more than 5% of the cases.
      but it's ever an extrem varianced spot

      this calculation is made out of my expierience from ipoker-opponents
      there's no warrenty for the correctness of the calculation :D :s_evil:
    • wuusaa
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      hey wait a minute goldflair... :)

      you said ipoker ;)
      I play ipoker too.
      Who are you ? ^^
    • goldflair03
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      betfred poker :s_cool:
      70-80% rakebackdeal :D

      "RAPT0R09"

      who are u?
      how get u enough tables for nl400/600 ?
    • Gerv
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      If all three opponents fold more than 74% on your shove your FEQ is 74%*74%*74% = 40.5%

      Your EV then is like +1bb per hand looking from Goldflairs equilating stuff.
      I stick to like ATo+KQ+,66+ as shoving here but with 66 you are mostly worried about villain holding 77-88 but that's idiotic since those holdings shoul be used for raising it up.

      - Gerv
    • wuusaa
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      Betfred ;)

      I play all limits from 100 to 600
      But at the moment i think i am too slow for 16 tables anymore.
      I will reduce it to12 and stop playing nl100.

      nl100 is my worst limit. true story :f_cry:
    • goldflair03
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      wtf
      u're also playing on betfred! :D

      so what's u're name?
      are u this crazy 16/14 guy :s_confused:

      i just play 12 tables nl50-200 because there are never enough tables for more than 1.5k hands per day :rolleyes: .
    • wuusaa
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      no no. No crazy guy :D more a 11/11 guy.
      I think i added you in skype Mr goldflair
    • Tim64
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      I think I've added you too, goldflair03.

      (Which is a shame if you didn't want to be added...)

      p.s. while i'm adding people to skype, may I add you too, wuusaa?

      Thanks
      Tim64 (skype virgin)
    • goldflair03
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      no worries ;)

      @ wuusaa:
      what's u're skypename?
    • wuusaa
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    • Tim64
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      wusaa.


      well, no one can criticise you for overcomplicating things...

      :)