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[NL2-NL10] NL100 JJ 2 overcards vs loose villain

    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      Known players:
      Position:
      Stack
      Hero:
      $18.50
      MP2:
      $79.00

      0.5/1 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)
      Hand recorder used for this poker hand: PokerStrategy Elephant 0.67 by www.pokerstrategy.com.

      Preflop: Hero is UTG2 with J:club: , J:spade:
      Hero raises to $3.75, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $3.75, 5 folds.

      Flop: ($9.00) 6:diamond: , K:diamond: , A:spade: (2 players)
      Hero bets $6.00, MP2 calls $6.00.

      Turn: ($21.00) 6:club: (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP2 checks.

      River: ($21.00) 9:heart: (2 players)
      Hero bets $8.75 (All-In), MP2 folds.

      Final Pot: $29.75

      Unwise to value bet the river against unknown? Can we ever play check/call on the river?
  • 12 replies
    • burek2000
      burek2000
      Bronze
      Joined: 16.11.2007 Posts: 3,105
      Hey Tim64,

      value bet river with A and K on the board? ...what worse hand do you expect to call you?

      You could think of pushing turn to get value from FD, but I find it too dangerous with A and K in on the boards, so I would just give up and play c/f all the way after opponent calls your c-bet on board that perfectly hits your range.

      Regards,
      burek2000
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      against unknown? play it standard.
      cbet the flop 4,5$ - 5$ -> saves money. the flop is scary enough if he has no A or K
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      Originally posted by wuusaa
      against unknown? play it standard.
      cbet the flop 4,5$ - 5$ -> saves money. the flop is scary enough if he has no A or K
      Balancing? With a K or A on a :diamond: :diamond: you would bet $4.5 - $5 also?
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      @ DaPhunk,

      sure. Axx flops are 1/2pot cbet against regular players. standard for me
    • RahXephon1
      RahXephon1
      Bronze
      Joined: 14.04.2009 Posts: 972
      I think he meant that on this flop you should bet a little more for protection against draws so for the continuation bet you should do the same.
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      why should I protect.
      An opponent who is not completly brain-dead knows that AKx hits my range hard.
      So I don't need to make it 2/3pot.
      If he has no good made hand he will fold.
    • Tim64
      Tim64
      Black
      Joined: 02.11.2008 Posts: 8,028
      I see - you mean because even if villain has a flush draw, a half pot cbet gives him bad odds to call on that street?

      e.g. Pot = $10, cbet of $5 so villain has to call $5 for pot of $15, i.e. 3:1 and he only hits his flush 4:1 so he still makes a mistake by calling?
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
      Bronze
      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      exactly.
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
      Bronze
      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      Originally posted by wuusaa
      @ DaPhunk,

      sure. Axx flops are 1/2pot cbet against regular players. standard for me
      and on lowcard 2-suited boards, if you cbet, how much?
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
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      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      depends.
      I dont cbet lowcard flops that often but when the opponent likes to fold to cbets or has a wide coldcalling range i make the bet around 60% I think.

      Against TAGS/Nits, I prefer check/fold or check/raise
    • DaPhunk
      DaPhunk
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      Joined: 01.03.2008 Posts: 2,805
      Originally posted by wuusaa
      depends.
      I dont cbet lowcard flops that often but when the opponent likes to fold to cbets or has a wide coldcalling range i make the bet around 60% I think.

      Against TAGS/Nits, I prefer check/fold or check/raise
      Interesting. I've stopped check/raising TAGS/Nits so much as I don't think I am able to balance properly :D
    • wuusaa
      wuusaa
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      Joined: 15.05.2007 Posts: 455
      balancing is overrated.
      below nl1k i think.