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push against the super SS BB while in SB.

    • lessthanthreee
      lessthanthreee
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.06.2009 Posts: 16,300
      • 11.08.2009, 12:25
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by lessthanthreee: 11.08.2009 12:26.
      Hey guys,

      i think one of my leaks in my game is not knowing what my range should be as a first in SB push vs the super SS BB ( BB = 4bb or less)

      Obviously, if i am also a short stack im pushing wide maybe 70-80%.

      but if i have a decent stack i dont know whether i should be pushing wide or tight assuming that MOST players will feel they have to call very loose with 4bb or less.

      anyone have any advice for these situations?

      example:

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2.25 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      Hero (SB) (t4720)
      BB (t1540)
      Button (t7240)

      Hero's M: 3.93

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 2, 10
      1 fold, Hero bets t4720 (All-In), BB calls t740 (All-In)

      Flop: (t3080) 2, 10, 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Turn: (t3080) Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

      River: (t3080) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

      Total pot: t3080
  • 5 replies
    • lessthanthreee
      lessthanthreee
      Bronze
      Joined: 30.06.2009 Posts: 16,300
      nevermind, i plugged the data into ICM trainer and it says to shove any-two or 90%+ vs 4bb or less first in from SB.
    • mafaz
      mafaz
      Bronze
      Joined: 07.12.2007 Posts: 222
      • 14.08.2009, 01:30
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by mafaz: 14.08.2009 01:33.
      erm i think your doing something wrong....
      because you have no fold equity in this situation.... the guy wont fold even with 2/7 cause he already invested 800 as BB and only has 800 left and gets 3/4 pot odds in this situation....
      i dunno im not really a good sng player but still. You cant fold either i guess... thought the hand really sux. id like to see an answer from someone too :)
    • Anssi
      Anssi
      Black
      Joined: 03.07.2008 Posts: 2,173
      • 14.08.2009, 07:38
      • This post has been edited 1 time(s), it was last edited by Anssi: 14.08.2009 07:38.
      SB should push 93.4% even though he knows BB will call 100%.

      93.4%, 22+ 8x+ 72s+ 73o+ 62s+ 64o+ 52s+ 53o+ 42s+

      Really, there is no reason not to push. Sometimes you do not want to use ICM (for example when your opponent is calling way too loose in bubble so you can't push so many hands as ICM tells you to), but this is one of those times where there is no room for your opponent to make a mistake that hurts both of you so just play according to ICM.
    • viewer88
      viewer88
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      Joined: 19.04.2008 Posts: 5,545
      The gist of what you say is true anssi, but you should ALWAYS use the ICM. just adapt your range to villain's range :)
    • Alverine
      Alverine
      Silver
      Joined: 31.01.2009 Posts: 1,938
      Originally posted by viewer88
      The gist of what you say is true anssi, but you should ALWAYS use the ICM. just adapt your range to villain's range :)
      i think what he means by icm was that not to use nash range all the time (ak the perfect play against perfect players)